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jason_m.
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And I just found out about the 1010LT. Can you combine multiple 1010LT's up to 3 like the 1010?
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christiaan
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yes
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jason_m.
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That's odd... Why the drastic price difference between the two??
Both generate the same audio quality and 10 ins/10 outs, correct?
$320 more just for the 1 space rack, but the same features?
Both generate the same audio quality and 10 ins/10 outs, correct?
$320 more just for the 1 space rack, but the same features?
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alfalfa
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The 1010 is higher sound quality than the 1010lt (much better ADCs/DACs). The 1010lt is roughly the same sound quality as the Audiophile.
The 1010 also has balanced i/o.
Dont worry you didnt get ripped off. There are good reasons why it costs more.
The 1010 also has balanced i/o.
Dont worry you didnt get ripped off. There are good reasons why it costs more.
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christiaan
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The 1010 has the (better?) converters in the rackmount, not on the PCI card and balanced IO.
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jason_m.
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Could you be more specific about how drastic the difference in audio quality is between the two?
Both are 24-bit/96kHz bandwidth. How important is balanced/unbalanced? Does that just mean +4/-10 decibals? I don't quite understand how that can be important. I can most definitely adjust those levels elsewhere.
How could the 1010 have better ADCs/DACs when they are both rated the same?
Both are 24-bit/96kHz bandwidth. How important is balanced/unbalanced? Does that just mean +4/-10 decibals? I don't quite understand how that can be important. I can most definitely adjust those levels elsewhere.
How could the 1010 have better ADCs/DACs when they are both rated the same?
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christiaan
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If this is new to you, I'd say you'd be very happy with 'just' the 1010LT.jason_m. said:
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alfalfa
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They are not rated the same. Go look at the specs on m-audio's website and compare them. You will see the 1010 has significantly better specs.jason_m. said:
Or head over to www.soundonsound.com and search for the reviews of the 1010 and 410 (which does have identical specs to the 1010lt) and you can compare martin walkers measurements of the two soundcards.
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Timmy2000
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I've got the 1010LT and am really happy with it. All convertors aren't created equal though and those on the full 1010 are meant to be much better. Also, the marketing info/specs big's up the fact that these convertors are housed in a separate unit, well away from RF generating PC components (the 1010LT has the convertors on a card inside your PC's case) which improves their performance further. Having never heard the LT next to the 1010, I can't compare the two but looking at the reasons above I'd expect the 1010 to sound a fair bit better.
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Cuzin B
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Jason,
I just picked up a 1010 last week as well. I graduated up from a Delta 66 and the difference in quality was astounding...especially the noise floor. All that marketing chatter about having the converters away from the card appear to have merit, at least at my studio.
When using Wavelab and just engaging the Delta 66 for record...I could easily see the meters move up to about halfway up the standard Wavelab meter scale...without recording anything....when I engage the 1010...the meters have no movement and are not even visible on scale until I actually get close to the microphone. The resulting audio (In Nuendo) is outstanding...punchy and very quiet.
Never looked at the 1010LT but again...I also added the Soundcraft M12 to my room and pairing it with the 1010 (and rackmount unit) was the best thing I have done gearwise in a long while.
Cheers,
Cuzin B
I just picked up a 1010 last week as well. I graduated up from a Delta 66 and the difference in quality was astounding...especially the noise floor. All that marketing chatter about having the converters away from the card appear to have merit, at least at my studio.
When using Wavelab and just engaging the Delta 66 for record...I could easily see the meters move up to about halfway up the standard Wavelab meter scale...without recording anything....when I engage the 1010...the meters have no movement and are not even visible on scale until I actually get close to the microphone. The resulting audio (In Nuendo) is outstanding...punchy and very quiet.
Never looked at the 1010LT but again...I also added the Soundcraft M12 to my room and pairing it with the 1010 (and rackmount unit) was the best thing I have done gearwise in a long while.
Cheers,
Cuzin B
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Jim Y
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I think it would be very risky to hook a 1010LT up to a board. The lack of balanced ins could well lead to ground loop hell with 8 lines having a common ground, and that on the pc!
If you intend to hook up thru a board, the 1010 rack is the only sane course.
There again, someone will tell me they have an LT working off their board direct outs with no problems - lucky buggers I say!!
Personally, I wonder about these products. You want balanced I/O on a multichannel interface but does it need any mic pre's? I think not. Much better to use a good mixer or outboard pre-amps surely? I'm baffled by the 1010LT. It has 2 mics in's - fine. But what feeds the other 6 ins? A mixer probably, and that has mic pre's. So you don't need the 2 supplied because you have a mixer.
If I were M-audio, I'd loose the 2 mics ins and make all 8 ins at least balanced.
Or am I being picky
If you intend to hook up thru a board, the 1010 rack is the only sane course.
There again, someone will tell me they have an LT working off their board direct outs with no problems - lucky buggers I say!!
Personally, I wonder about these products. You want balanced I/O on a multichannel interface but does it need any mic pre's? I think not. Much better to use a good mixer or outboard pre-amps surely? I'm baffled by the 1010LT. It has 2 mics in's - fine. But what feeds the other 6 ins? A mixer probably, and that has mic pre's. So you don't need the 2 supplied because you have a mixer.
If I were M-audio, I'd loose the 2 mics ins and make all 8 ins at least balanced.
Or am I being picky
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mrface2112
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<<Or am I being picky >>
you're being picky. ;-)
obviously the 1010 and the 1010LT were designed for 2 different levels of recording environments/engineers.
those who "just need 8 decent inputs for as cheap as possible" aren't likely going to care about whether the inputs are balanced or that the ADC will be inside the computer. that's the people the LT was designed for.
the full 1010 was designed for folks who do care about those things and are willing to part with a little more cash for better gear.
it's like all things in this "hobby", you get what you pay for. like christiaan said above, if you don't know the difference between +4/-10 (among other things), then chances are you won't really notice a difference between the two. if you do, then you'll go for the better one.
i think it's pretty ingenious on m-audio's part, actually.....two similar cards, each priced at a level that would be consistent with the level of the person using it. when you get experienced enough to become unsatisfied with the LT, it's easy to put it on ebay and move up.
i'd say that this is similar to those arguing that behringer gear is "just fine". it is "just fine" until you get experienced enough to know that it's really not.
wade
you're being picky. ;-)
obviously the 1010 and the 1010LT were designed for 2 different levels of recording environments/engineers.
those who "just need 8 decent inputs for as cheap as possible" aren't likely going to care about whether the inputs are balanced or that the ADC will be inside the computer. that's the people the LT was designed for.
the full 1010 was designed for folks who do care about those things and are willing to part with a little more cash for better gear.
it's like all things in this "hobby", you get what you pay for. like christiaan said above, if you don't know the difference between +4/-10 (among other things), then chances are you won't really notice a difference between the two. if you do, then you'll go for the better one.
i think it's pretty ingenious on m-audio's part, actually.....two similar cards, each priced at a level that would be consistent with the level of the person using it. when you get experienced enough to become unsatisfied with the LT, it's easy to put it on ebay and move up.
i'd say that this is similar to those arguing that behringer gear is "just fine". it is "just fine" until you get experienced enough to know that it's really not.
wade