John Hardy, Focusrite, Grace, or Systek

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I need a high quality dual channel preamp for recording acoustic guitar.

Which of these would you choose? Which is the best period for whatever price? Quality of parts, quality of sound for acoustic recording, features...

I am about to go with the John Hardy but wanted some wisdom prior to purchasing.
 
I'm sure the Hardy would be very nice{going on rep. I don't own one}..It really depends on the guitar/player whether its strummed or picked..Also what mic you use..For example I have Graces{101's} these are my cleanest pres..But for strummed acoustics I like the Event EMP1 better because its less "HI FI" and tends to be duller..The mic that I use is a SM81 which tends to be a little brite..The Event does a good job at loppin off top end just enough.. I bet the John Hardy will sound great! What works for one guy may not work for the next..I know this doesn't help much..But there are so many vairiables..I'd get the Hardy and use it. find out what you like it for and what you don't..


Don
 
Which focusrite? There's a huge difference between platinum and red.

Between the John Hardy, Focusrite Red, and Grace 201, you can hardly go wrong. Any one of them should make you very happy, the Focusrite being the most flavorful of the bunch.

If you are thinking Focusrite Platinum (as opposed to Red), I would go with the Hardy or the Grace. If you are thinking a pair of Grace 101's instead of the 201, I would probably go with the Hardy just for the convenience of no wall warts and the rack mount.

The other thing that might influence your decision is looking at what preamps (if any) you already own, in terms of picking a contrasting addition.

Sytek is a very decent product, but if you only need two channels, it wouldn't be my first choice.
 
Thanks for replying. I plan to record finger picked guitar.

I'm leaning towards the Focusrite Red 8 and the John Hardy M-2.

I can't decide. I suppose they are pretty much the same and I would love either one.

I would still like to know other peoples' opinions though.
 
Is price really no object? If so, what made you chose just these four? I might consider a pair of VIPRE's, an Avalon 2022, or a Pendulum Audio, Millenia Media, Earthworks, or Manley as well.
 
Thanks, that's exactly what I needed. I want to know what is considered the absolute best so that I have a frame of reference.

I might not be able to afford the ones in the 2000 + range but I would still like to know.

I am taking a look at the ones you mentioned.
 
Vacuum tubes seem like an interesting match for acoustic recording. I suppose you would get a warmer, analog type sound, where as semiconductor and transformerless designs would offer the ultimate low noise, clear signal.

It seems that transformer designs aren't a good pick for acoustic unless it's high quality like a Focusrite Red 8.

I suppose it's really about preference and taste.

I want a sort of ethereal, warm, but natural sound… something that would sound nice with flutes, violins, cellos. Very earthy but clean. Something you could imagine in a natural outdoor setting. So would vacuum tubes be the best bet?
 
I own the Hardy and the Sytek (is this the one you meant? You spelled it "Systek").

The Sytek is good, the Hardy AMAZING. I record fiddle, mandolin and acoustic steel string guitar. Always go through the Hardy if possible.

Pete
 
vagabond said:
I want to know what is considered the absolute best so that I have a frame of reference.

I want to know who is the absolute most beautiful woman so that i have a frame of reference.

While you're at it, the absolute best tasting food, the absolute best band, the absolute best place to live, and the absolute best color.

That should pretty much do it for me.
 
Sorry I didn't word my post to your liking littledog. I suppose picking apart someone's post who obviously doesn't have the knowledge of recording equipment as you is considered a form of entertainment around here.

Oh well, such is the world. If you ask me what are the best sounding acoustic guitars I could do the same to you but I won't. I'm not arrogant.

Thanks for your previous response. It has accelerated my research on the subject. I think pendulum is the best bet.

Ciao
 
I think the point littledog made was not supposed to be arrogant but rather that there is no absolute best. You are dealing in an area where almost everything is subjective. Otherwise, you could simply compare the specs on the different pre-amps. The one with the best specs would therefore be the best. Obviously, that is not a real-world, workable solution.

You must listen and find what you like. For example, try and explain in words the precise sound you like from guitar. No matter how many words you use or how well you use them, nobody could really know until they heard the sound. This is the nature of what you are dealing with. For this reason, there is no absolute best. And, more importantly, you are making a dangerous and potentially costly mistake by asking another person what they think is the best. If that person does not have the same taste as you, then their opinion is worthless without you knowing that it is worthless. It will seem knowledgable, informed and sincere and it might very well be, but that does not remove the human perception variable and that, my freind, is everything.

If you really just want to know more about pre-amps, I sould suggest some basic reading on the subject. Find out a little about how they work, the whys and wherefores of different designs. Some basic info on tubes vs. solid state. With that information, look at the online catalogues for the high end professional suppliers and see what they have to offer.

After you do all of that, then come the truly difficult part...Find a place where you can demo these models in a suitable situation where you can really hear what they do. This is nearly impossible to do but try. In lieu of that, you can read Mix magazine or maybe Electronic Musician or one of those type rags. See who uses what and listen to their product. Maybe that will give you some idea.

After all is said and done, make your purchase. After spending more than 2k on a pre-amp, assuming you bought one of the well known, respectable brands offerings, you will likely be happy with the result. The truth is that just about all of the high end preamps from companies like Avalon, Manley, Focusrite, Universal Audio, etc. sound great. They are all great and nobody in thier right mind would say otherwise. The differences may be subtle or, for you extreme but it is not a matter of one sounds good and the other does not, it is only that they all sound very good and they all sound a bit different.

That is the reason for the comment though it was a bit in-artfully or tactlessly stated. Be that as it may, there is no escaping the fact that it is, in essence, the truth.
 
Jerry W said:


That is the reason for the comment though it was a bit in-artfully or tactlessly stated. Be that as it may, there is no escaping the fact that it is, in essence, the truth.

Whew! arrogant, in-artful, and tactless! all because i used an entertaining (i thought) metaphor to make a point that i would have been hard-pressed to make effectively in other ways. hard to see how that was interpreted as a personal attack. (i never even mentioned your mother...) how inconsiderate of me to try and incorporate humor with information. at least i wasn't "indelicate". (that's reserved for c7sus.)

so, tell me vagabond, since you insist these questions are all perfectly valid and above reproach, who IS the best guitar player?

i hearby move that we change the name of this site to: www.thin-skinned.com

glad you found at least one of my posts helpful. if you get over your attitude you might find a kernel of usefulness in the other one as well. i thought Jerry did a good job of explaining my intent. at least until he got to the inartful part. tactless i can handle, but inartful??? them's fighting words!!!
 
Sorry Littledog, I think I misunderstood your intention with the comment.

I thought you were stating something that I had made clear I already understood. It seemed to me like ridicule...

No hard feelings. See you around.

The best acoustics are the old Epiphones and the old Martins. That's my opinion at least.
 
vagabond said:
I need a high quality dual channel preamp for recording acoustic guitar.

Which of these would you choose? Which is the best period for whatever price? Quality of parts, quality of sound for acoustic recording, features...

I am about to go with the John Hardy but wanted some wisdom prior to purchasing.

I spent quite some time finding the right pre for recording acoustic guitar. Of course, the style of music, the technique (fingerstyle vs. flatpick), the micropones, etc. all play into any decision.

I chose a Pendulum MDP-1 (Jensen input trannys). Wonderful, majestic. Just can't say enough. Certainly, there are numerous other pres out there about which the same thing can be said.
 
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