It's not KICKING ASS enough!

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Myriad_Rocker said:
Meh, I'll just reamp another track with more gain. Better than modeler distortion.
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oh dunno if he was talking about modeler distortion.. I was talking about a non guitar oriented distortion...even a bit crusher, not one that models guitar distortion. That can make you about rip someones face off with guitar tracks from time to time.
 
Personally, I am of the school that if the performance kicks ass, the rest will take care of itself. If it doesn't, no amount of processing will help on that ladder.

Now that I have gotten that out of my system knowing that nobody here cares about that old person stuff :D, try this: grab the Blowfish VST compressor and start messing with the saturation knob.

G.
 
look at all my posts... that's what I say to pretty much everyone :) Audio suddenly becomes demystified when the right performances are gotten..that's why working with a producer, or gaining those skills yourself are the best thing an engineer can do to improve their recordings.
 
Try sending all your rhythm guitars to a buss with some heavy limiting on it. That can help them find the right spot in the mix. Make sure your bass track is mixed well because that can have a big effect on the guitars.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Personally, I am of the school that if the performance kicks ass, the rest will take care of itself. If it doesn't, no amount of processing will help on that ladder.

Now that I have gotten that out of my system knowing that nobody here cares about that old person stuff :D, try this: grab the Blowfish VST compressor and start messing with the saturation knob.

G.
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would it be possible for you to supply several clips of heavy guitar tones that you have recorded.

back to the subject at hand... none of the recommendations that I've read so far will make a vast improvement. get the tone right at the onset. learn where to place the mic. learn how to EQ it post tracking. I have a lot of clips available for you to take a listen to. some are a lot better than others, tone wise, because I always try new ways for virtually every clip.

there are several peeps here that can track very good heavy guitar tones and there are a lot of peeps that talk. seek out those that put up their work and consult them. they'll be glad to help you.
 
Myriad_Rocker said:
I have two songs that we did the reamping on over the weekend. Quality wise, things were great. From what I have read on here and many other places, you use less gain when recording distorted guitars than what you think you need. Since we had lots of doubled parts, I figured this was especially important because we don't want too much gain stacked on top of too much gain.

When listening one of the songs that night, the guitar sound was great. I was super excited about it. After listening the next day, I was kinda disappointed. It was a "heavy" guitar sound...but it didn't seem "hard rock" enough, if that makes sense. It's like there wasn't enough gain used. Am I going crazy?

On the second song, we recorded with more gain because the song had more of a Sevendust feel to it. There were plenty of doubled guitars...6 guitars to be exact. 4 Playing the regular part and 2 playing a higher part. When we got the guitars tracked and let it rip, it was heavy, but the guitars didn't seem "big enough" or "in your face" enough.

So...on these two songs...what should I do?
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On the first song I would try the same settings you used before, but with a little more gain.

On the second song I would try getting rid of all but 2 of the main tracks and pan those hard left and right then I would get rid of all but one of the higher part. In my experience doing more than a double track has caused the guitar to start sounding smaller. I guess ymmv though
 
Sonixx said:
would it be possible for you to supply several clips of heavy guitar tones that you have recorded.

back to the subject at hand... none of the recommendations that I've read so far will make a vast improvement. get the tone right at the onset. learn where to place the mic. learn how to EQ it post tracking. I have a lot of clips available for you to take a listen to. some are a lot better than others, tone wise, because I always try new ways for virtually every clip.

there are several peeps here that can track very good heavy guitar tones and there are a lot of peeps that talk. seek out those that put up their work and consult them. they'll be glad to help you.
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I don't put up my work here because 1. I don't want anything to be ripped off 2. I don't generally like to share my mixes voluntarily with audio nerds, because they can't handle that it's not 100% conventional in every way and 3. I don't want some of the mother fuckers on here ripping on my mixes just because they have a problem with me personally (it's happened a couple of times...with the same people)

Showing off your work doesn't mean anything in the way of how much you know, or what your ability to help is. I know all the rules and choose to often break them, and I don't really feel like hearing about it from more "engineer" boy wonders, who think they're going to record the next white album by following mix by the numbers pop-up picture book published by Hasboro. That's why I PERSONALLY don't post my work on here, not because I don't have anything I'm not very proud of.

Everyone who responded had very good advice for the OP, and all of those methods will help. There's no one way to do things, and the people who think that there is, generally make very uninspired overly conventional mixes that don't stand out beyond anything else in the market.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Personally, I am of the school that if the performance kicks ass, the rest will take care of itself. If it doesn't, no amount of processing will help on that ladder.
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The performance itself is tight and I'm happy with it. I'm going to work a bit with some delay and compression and see what I come up with. I'm thinking it'll be good to go. I just haven't had the time to try those things and it will probably be the weekend before I get the chance to.
TerraMortim said:
I don't put up my work here because 1. I don't want anything to be ripped off 2. I don't generally like to share my mixes voluntarily with audio nerds, because they can't handle that it's not 100% conventional in every way and 3. I don't want some of the mother fuckers on here ripping on my mixes just because they have a problem with me personally (it's happened a couple of times...with the same people)

Showing off your work doesn't mean anything in the way of how much you know, or what your ability to help is. I know all the rules and choose to often break them, and I don't really feel like hearing about it from more "engineer" boy wonders, who think they're going to record the next white album by following mix by the numbers pop-up picture book published by Hasboro. That's why I PERSONALLY don't post my work on here, not because I don't have anything I'm not very proud of.

Everyone who responded had very good advice for the OP, and all of those methods will help. There's no one way to do things, and the people who think that there is, generally make very uninspired overly conventional mixes that don't stand out beyond anything else in the market.
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Great post. I share your views.

Thanks for all the suggestions, folks. I'm going to get to work this weekend and try to make things happen. I'll post my results and what I did. I'm pretty confident that I can make it happen. If not, I'll work on it more.
 
On the second song, I would try muting a couple of those guitar takes. 'Big' normally comes from a sense of space. If you have too much going on, you run the risk of making things sound small and cluttered. It will also leave room for other stuff in the mix without having to turn the guitars down.

But, without hearing it, I'm just guessing.
 
TerraMortim said:
I don't put up my work here because 1. I don't want anything to be ripped off 2. I don't generally like to share my mixes voluntarily with audio nerds, because they can't handle that it's not 100% conventional in every way and 3. I don't want some of the mother fuckers on here ripping on my mixes just because they have a problem with me personally (it's happened a couple of times...with the same people)

Showing off your work doesn't mean anything in the way of how much you know, or what your ability to help is. I know all the rules and choose to often break them, and I don't really feel like hearing about it from more "engineer" boy wonders, who think they're going to record the next white album by following mix by the numbers pop-up picture book published by Hasboro. That's why I PERSONALLY don't post my work on here, not because I don't have anything I'm not very proud of.

Everyone who responded had very good advice for the OP, and all of those methods will help. There's no one way to do things, and the people who think that there is, generally make very uninspired overly conventional mixes that don't stand out beyond anything else in the market.
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Hum, I have a totally different view about this...

Just talking about it isn't enough for me... I need to hear it.
 
TerraMortim said:
I don't put up my work here because 1. I don't want anything to be ripped off 2. I don't generally like to share my mixes voluntarily with audio nerds, because they can't handle that it's not 100% conventional in every way and 3. I don't want some of the mother fuckers on here ripping on my mixes just because they have a problem with me personally (it's happened a couple of times...with the same people)

Showing off your work doesn't mean anything in the way of how much you know, or what your ability to help is. I know all the rules and choose to often break them, and I don't really feel like hearing about it from more "engineer" boy wonders, who think they're going to record the next white album by following mix by the numbers pop-up picture book published by Hasboro. That's why I PERSONALLY don't post my work on here, not because I don't have anything I'm not very proud of.

Everyone who responded had very good advice for the OP, and all of those methods will help. There's no one way to do things, and the people who think that there is, generally make very uninspired overly conventional mixes that don't stand out beyond anything else in the market.
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lol like id rip you off
 
Sonixx said:
Hum, I have a totally different view about this...

Just talking about it isn't enough for me... I need to hear it.
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giving someone advice has nothing to do with throwing your work in everyone's face. It shouldn't be... look at all these great recordings I did, now here's how to do it... just answer the dudes question whatever it may be and be on with it. If you want to put your stuff up here, fine, but it has nothing to do with offering advice.

As I said, the only reason why I don't put my shit up here, isn't cause I'm not proud of it... it's more-less I know the kind of closed mindedness that's very prevalent in the audio community, and so I'd rather not try to "justify myself". Also, I've had my material ripped off before, and it was a pain in the ass to deal with, even though I did spank the perp...HARD. so don't want to have that happen again.
 
Do people really rip of music that people posted on the internet?:eek:
That seems incredibly pitiful.
 
doubling and compression

Hey,

If you only want to guitars to sound bigger, and more in your face, you could try to bounce one of the recordings onto a new track, and EQ that one to have a fuller midrange and low end. You could also try to bus the guitars together and compress/limit it (like most other people have said).

The problem could also be that everything else in the mix is real loud. If everything is how you want it except for the level or fullness of the guitars, you could lower the bass and drums, and keep the guitar at the same level. Then raise the overall level and you have louder guitars.

Or rerecord that shit.
 
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