ISO cab or Attenuator?

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Hi Everyone! I just joined today. I think I found my home! :D

So I have a question about sound dampening.
I have a Fender Roc Pro 700 and I have the normal volume problem- 0= quiet and 1.5= blasting volume

I have bee researching iso cabs but then I came across attenuators/brake something/hot plate or whatever else there is out there.

What I want to use the amp for is at church on stage. We are wanted less stage volume and This might be something that will work.
I know an iso cab will be even less volume and probably the better choice but could I use a attenuator inside the iso cab as well?

Thanks for any info!!!

BTW, I am 100% able to build an iso box myself.
 
Since the amp has a solid state power section you don't need an attenuator and using an iso cab would be silly. A better idea is to use an effect pedal/unit that has a volume control in the amp's effects loop. You could also just wire up a volume pot to use in the loop.
 
Thanks for the info on the attenuator and iso cab. I actually use line 6 pod x3 live so I have all the effects I want along with any amp and cab I want. The problem is I need to hear myself (clearly of course) while having minimal stage volume. I don't even necessarily need an amp on stage. Would be better without one really. I thought about using head phones into my pedal (not sure if it will cut the output to the PA though) That was going to be my next attempt. But if I can't use headphones, IDK what else I can do.
 
You could just run the pod x3 straight into the mixer and then use a monitor/effects send to route the signal either to the stage monitors or to your amp and use it as a monitor.
 
Sorry for not giving the whole scenario- lots of info I left out I know :/
That's what the sound tech wants the instrumentalists who use floor amps to do- just go strait into the board without using an amp. What I do is send my 1/4" output into the floor amp and the xlr output to the board. We have little 100 watt speakers for everyone on stage right now for our mix (I know 100 watt each is a lot and obviously are not turned up more than needed).

I'm thinking I might just need to bring the amp closer to my ears with a amp stand of some kind.

I think the biggest problem are the drums overtaking us. We have a shield around the front of them but the concrete wall behind them doesn't help anything! Suggestion for a drum room?

and thanks for the help thus far ocnor
 
I don't know anything about the size of your amp, but a possibility would be to get an angled amp stand and set it in front of you angled at you. An iso-cab is NOT what you want. Can your sound guy give you a separate monitor mix? If so, he could just mix your guitar hotter in just your monitor. This would be the best scenario, imo. Another possibility would be to split your POD output, taking one out to the board, and one to a powered monitor wedge. Probably no more expensive (possibly less) than an attenuator, and way cheaper than an iso-cab, which you don't need anyway. Or, yes, you could get an attenuator.
 
Thanks notcardio

We actually use acoustic amps on stage which are built angled up. Although, an amp stand would be a good idea just to get the sound closer to us. We only have 2 channels fed to the stage. We usually keep instruments on A with a lead vocal and vocals with like rhythm guitar or who ever is leading the songs that day on B. Usually have drums, and bass and lead guitar on A since they don't sing. I do have xlr out to the board from my pedal and 1/4 to my floor amp.

So I tried using head phones while sending the xlr out to the board and it worked. I feel all alone though so I'm hoping I am able to take the main feed from the board and plug it into my cd 1/8" input and have a SUPER MIX! Not sure if I can get that but gonna try.

Any ideas for drum rooms? The drummer already plays with wound bamboo sticks or whatever their called so that helps but still need a room.
 
my Demeter iso cab:

demeterboogiecropoe4.jpg




the iso box has a arm inside, for positioning a mic.
if you want to mic a cab, and SOMEWHAT control the volume, you will FEEL the sound coming out of the iso cab if you sit next to it......
but
the louder you play inside the box, the more compressed and boxy the sound will become. that's what the mic hears, and no amount of foam or treatment inside the box will totally eliminate that boxy sound.
isocabcloseupopen.jpg




my attenuator:
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the attenuator, allows you to run your amp harder, so you get the preamp and output section and transformer working hard, but then brings your volume down.


the most important aspect of TONE from a guitar rig, is the speaker cabinet, and the volume you play.

a attenuator allows you to COMPROMISE between that ultimate tone you get off the speakers at volume, and the interaction you get with the amp by running it harder.


with an attenuator, you'll have to re-think your gain structure, and your eq, to PLAY NICE with the attenuator.


notice on my rig, the other small device on top of the weber attenuator....

it is a Palmer PDI-09.

look into that, as well.

i use it for recording.
 
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