Is this normal Sonar behavior?

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Consider:

2 dirty stereo tracks, panned hard left, HR, and they are a tad muddy.
Open aux bus, ummm, 3, pop a Timeworks EQ in there, shave some bass, pow, perfect...

but wait...

now when I solo the hard panned left track, its not hard panned anymore. I lost my panning, its still leaning to the left, but damn near centered according to the main outs. Same for the other track.
So I bypass the EQ... no fix...
remove the EQ... no fix
click post... no fix.. back to pre... no fix...
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Why am I losing my panning here? It totally wastes the whole aux buss thing. Tracks are also way louder when I activate the buss on a track too....

Whats the deal here?
 
I don't know why you would be hard panning a stereo track to begin with. If you hard pan a stereo track, you are only going to get playback from one side - left or right, depending on the pan. What's the purpose of having it in stereo if you are going to do that? :confused:

In answer to your question, each Bus Send also has a pan slider. Are you setting those pans as well as the track pans?
 
dachay2tnr said:
In answer to your question........
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Dachay - Make him tell us what Cakewalk said, before you go sorting him out and making him disappear again!

:) Q.
 
dachay2tnr said:
I don't know why you would be hard panning a stereo track to begin with. If you hard pan a stereo track, you are only going to get playback from one side - left or right, depending on the pan. What's the purpose of having it in stereo if you are going to do that? :confused:

In answer to your question, each Bus Send also has a pan slider. Are you setting those pans as well as the track pans?
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I didnt mean to say stereo, but just hard panned. Why is it doing this? Try it, I bet it does it to you too.
 
If you remove the EQ, is the panning still screwed?
 
With no EQ its still screwed.

Cant replicate it? Open a project in Sonar 3, solo a track, pan it hard left 100%, and look at your main output meter. Should be all the way 100% signal left, nothing on the right.

Now, send it to, lets say, aux buss 3. Now look at the output meter. Still hard left? or has it gone about 70/30 ?

Paul
 
Also, does your volume on the track go way up when you open the buss?
 
OK, in your example where you say, "lets send to aux buss 3", I get exactly the same thing happening.

Meter shows activity down the centre and it gets louder.

This is operating as designed.

When you enable the send to the aux bus, you are routing the audio to another destination. If you leave the send on it's default 0.0dB value, that's where the volume increase comes from.

The stereo imaging issue is related to the send's pan control. By default this is sending everything up the centre. The original track is still hard left, but the bus output is down the middle. Add 'em up and there's your 70/30 split.

Move the send's pan controls hard left and I only see left channel activity in my master output.

Makes sense? I am running the 3.1.1 patch also.

Q.
 
Qwerty said:


Move the send's pan controls hard left and I only see left channel activity in my master output.


Q.
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Isn't that what I said about 9 posts ago??


In answer to your question, each Bus Send also has a pan slider. Are you setting those pans as well as the track pans?
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Yeah thats what you said, and is not a fix by any means. This renders the aux buss useless in my opinion.

So, when I want to run overheads througgh a compressor with maybe the kick and snare and tom close mics, then I lose all of my panning? Useless. Why even have the option if you can only run one track at a time through it unless it is centered? Might as well open all of your effects on individual tracks, which I guessis the only way to do it now.

Worthless. This may have just killed Sonar for me. I never had this problem before.
 
tubedude said:
Yeah thats what you said, and is not a fix by any means. This renders the aux buss useless in my opinion.

So, when I want to run overheads througgh a compressor with maybe the kick and snare and tom close mics, then I lose all of my panning? Useless. Why even have the option if you can only run one track at a time through it unless it is centered? Might as well open all of your effects on individual tracks, which I guessis the only way to do it now.

Worthless. This may have just killed Sonar for me. I never had this problem before.
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I have no clue what you are talking about. The panning is on the Track SEND, not on the Bus itself.

Therefore, you can have the send for one track panned right, for another track panned left, and for a third track panned center.

Did you even bother looking?
 
AHHHH - HA!

How in the living HELL did I overlook THAT?
The pan on the actual track send... that makes sense, I'll try that. Still, shouldnt it, if I have the track panned all the way left, send it all the way left to the aux and stay that way? Plus, that means I have to sit and align all the panning I did while mixing with the panning on the aux sends, and that kinda sucks, but better than losing my panning like I was.

Thanks.
 
tubedude said:
Still, shouldnt it, if I have the track panned all the way left, send it all the way left to the aux and stay that way?
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NO! Frequently you very well might want to have the effect panned differently than the dry track. You can create some pretty neat effects by varying the panning on the Bus from the panning on the Track itself.

Also, there is a school of thought that says an effect like reverb should always be panned differently than the dry signal. The argument goes that in a live situation you will always hear the direct signal coming from a different source point than the reverb. This is because reverb is reflected sound. As such the sound will come at you from the walls and ceilings where it is being reflected from. The dry signal, otoh, will eminate from the stage directly to your ears.

Therefore, in using artificial reverb, in order to approximate a live sound, you should pan the reverb differently than the dry signal. (At least that's how the argument goes.)
 
Its all good then, I guess (havent tried it yet) but how come it just now started giving me the problem? did 2.2 not work the same way?
Thanks!
Paul
 
tubedude said:
Its all good then, I guess (havent tried it yet) but how come it just now started giving me the problem? did 2.2 not work the same way?
Thanks!
Paul
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Yes. Auxes are most often mono. Even on a hardware mixer, normally you'd have to use and blend two aux sends to get panning.
Maybe it was running comps and eq on the aux that made it noticable. That's an odd place to put them.
Wayne
 
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