Is it normal that recorded material doesnt sound like the monitoring?

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Hi Everyone,

I use EMU 1616m hardware and Nuendo 4 32bit.
When I record stuff and monitor through the audio interface or through the nuendo itself, it sounds great, however when I record and play it back,
it sounds more dull and 'dead'.

There are no effects open anywhere, all gains are 0, (input and output of the interface, the sequencer, etc.), and I record to 32 or 24 bit files, 44.1Khz.

Is it normal that the recorded material doesn't sound as good? Or is my A2D not the best? maybe something I should be doing and I am not?

Thank you!
 
How are you listening to it - same monitors or headphones both ways? If it doesn't sound the same, then there must be a reason!
 
Don't trust your monitoring system!

Burn a copy of the track. Listen to it in 1. a car stereo 2. A good home stereo and 3. a cheap boom box.

Then make the needed adjustments.
Go back to your monitoring system and make a note of the sonic plane.
A scary thing to do, but the final mix is the goal.
 
Don't trust your monitoring system!

Burn a copy of the track. Listen to it in 1. a car stereo 2. A good home stereo and 3. a cheap boom box.

Then make the needed adjustments.
Go back to your monitoring system and make a note of the sonic plane.
A scary thing to do, but the final mix is the goal.

What if he has a good monitoring system he knows? The accuracy will be far
greater than a car stereo or a boom box.

:confused:
 
Could it be because druing tracking you hearing 'the track (the electrical part) and some of the live'. That would be added depth/ambience. I get that all the time (in phones, not being totally isolated.) It just takes a little of that.
I also get that my live sources through the mackie mix-B phone mix bus sounds different than the L/R main monitor mix in the same phones, and Sonar's mix play back on the mains through the mackie sounds different than the same mix through the Central Station.
:)
 
Don't trust your monitoring system!

Burn a copy of the track. Listen to it in 1. a car stereo 2. A good home stereo and 3. a cheap boom box.
What? No!
Could it be because druing tracking you hearing 'the track (the electrical part) and some of the live'. That would be added depth/ambience. I get that all the time (in phones, not being totally isolated.)
I would bet the house that this is correct. The other day I was noodling around with my bass guitar at low volume going direct in to my recorder. I played it back and it was dead as hell. The playback doesn't have the sound of my fingers hitting the strings and the sound of the strings buzzing in the room. That's all it takes to make the difference.

When you are setting your sounds to record, try and keep the live source as far away from the monitors as possible. In a different room if you can. Buy a 100 foot snake. They're fantastic if you don't have a sealed control room because you can put the instruments as far away as you need.
 
I virtually always find that what I hear monitored as I record is not the same as the playback. The playback usually seems more sedate, even if we've thrashed the heck out the instruments during recording. It can be dealt with, though.
 
If you are monitoring from your monitors only (in the same room you play back the recording) then it should sound the same. A recording will sound different from the live sound if you compare the mic'ed sound to the live sound.
 
I have to admit, that if the source is not in the same room with me where there is an issue of hearing the monitors, what ever I hear in the monitors while recording, is exactly the same thing I hear when the unaffected raw tracks are played back.....
 
... Is it normal that the recorded material doesn't sound as good? ...

To me it has always sounded inferior when I play back compared to "live". Cymbals aren't even remotely close, and brown tube sounds get affected.

Here's what I think it is: Musician's Friend doesn't want you to know that in 2010 digital recording is still in it's infancy, it hasn't "arrived" yet. By the mid 1980's, analog recording had arrived, even earlier. But digital recording today is comparable to car technology in the 1920's - not really there yet.
 
How does the recording sound through headphones..? ( taking the room monitors out of the equation for a minute).. If it sounds basically same, then it's probably your monitoring system/room..If it sounds different through headphones, then it's probably your room...I wouldn't think the A2D converter would be your culprit..
 
I always find that nothing I record sounds anything like what I hear when playing...it always seems to come out glassy or electricky or unnatural...not warm...harsh unforgiving...highlighting any imperfections in strum (I'm talking about acoustic guitar here)...(even shakers sound crap when I record them)

I'm sure it's a lot to do with mic placement and probably mostly the room...
 
I always find that nothing I record sounds anything like what I hear when playing...it always seems to come out glassy or electricky or unnatural...not warm...harsh unforgiving...highlighting any imperfections in strum (I'm talking about acoustic guitar here)...(even shakers sound crap when I record them)

This is why I find it almost impossible to record myself... so I concentrate heavily on recording others.

The most important instant of sonic decision and critical listening in the entire recording/mixing/mastering process comes as the musician is playing and the mics are being chosen and moved into place. If I'm the one playing that instrument, there is no way I can also be the one in the other room listening to the isolated sound on the monitors instructing the assistant where to move things.

You really, really are up shit creek in a self-recording situation. I always feel like it's a blind shot in the dark if I'm performing and the monitoring downgraded to headphones in a noisy room.

So yes, when I record myself it never sounds like what I'm hearing.
Whenever I record anybody else it sounds almost exactly like what I'm hearing since I'm actively manipulating it to be so.
 
Good point Chibi...it's a struggle to get it even close...but you can get superb results. It's not impossible...just fucking hard.

Even given all you say...ALWAYS listening in headphones while placing a mic still sounds electricky to me...like it is artificial or something. It's not the same as playing and listening to what you play...

Still...you realise that there are good and bad places to be when playing acoustic....some areas suck the spirit out of anything...other places make it happen better.

The other night I played electric guitar for the first time in ages....it was a dry amp and at first it sounded thin and and too clear....I couldn't play anything so good...after a while both me and more importantly the tone of the amp warmed up...because I suppose the amp tube itself warmed up or something...so it goes to show the condition of the area you play in effects the ability to record a good sound.

I haven't ever really recorded myself in anything better sounding that a standard bedroom...but I do see the benifits in finding a great sounding space to record in.

Maybe what I hear in the headphones when mic placing would sound better in a better environment/ space. That's plain I suppose.

...usually I don't place the mic for myself with headphones on my head. I record a test strum of what I play..then listen back to it in my monitors....not too efficient...usually I get jack of it after a few goes and just say 'that'll do'.

If you listen in headies while you play, to listen for the tone, you can be fooled by hearing what's in the headphones AND the sound of your guitar...so it's not a true picture...

Very underrated and not often talked about area of recording...usually people just wanna know which mic is best or what guitar or what preamp or what DAW...
 
This is why I find it almost impossible to record myself... so I concentrate heavily on recording others.

The most important instant of sonic decision and critical listening in the entire recording/mixing/mastering process comes as the musician is playing and the mics are being chosen and moved into place. If I'm the one playing that instrument, there is no way I can also be the one in the other room listening to the isolated sound on the monitors instructing the assistant where to move things.

You really, really are up shit creek in a self-recording situation. I always feel like it's a blind shot in the dark if I'm performing and the monitoring downgraded to headphones in a noisy room.

I suppose it can be something of a shot in the dark when self recording but if you've been doing it for long enough and you're an experimenter, you can't help but know where to place things. Sometimes it may be wrong but la la how the life goes on....:cool:
If you go on line today, there are more articles, forums, tutorials, videos, advice 'shops' and the like on recording than any one human could get through in a year, probably. When I began recording in '92, such a situation didn't exist ( I never even heard of the internet till '96 or got online till 04.....). If you were lucky back then, there was the odd magazine or book. Most of the time, one didn't know where to look. So rock biographies, interviews and books that weren't necesarilly about recording per se {though they might be about producers} were where I picked up snippets of info. And as time went by, you'd amass quite a bit of accidental knowledge and as well as making things up as you went along, you'd combine that with a snippet that leaked thru in some amusing anecdote a producer or manager or tape operator might be regaling the interviewer with. So it just never occurred to me that there was something strange about setting stuff up and recording my friends and I. I learned to mic a flute simply by listening to where the sound seemed to come from. I'd just stick a mic at the soundhole of an acoustic guitar. Then as time went by, I learned about other options.
For sure, alot of gunge got recorded, but it was part of the price of my education. I even learned how to press record and play and punch in with my feet ! Then I heard of footswitches, non latching, no less ! :D
But the sound has never been the same in my phones while recording as it has been when playing back ! But I don't see it as a problem. It's only the initial playback where I think about it coz that take is hot off the press.
 
To me it has always sounded inferior when I play back compared to "live". Cymbals aren't even remotely close, and brown tube sounds get affected.

Here's what I think it is: Musician's Friend doesn't want you to know that in 2010 digital recording is still in it's infancy, it hasn't "arrived" yet. By the mid 1980's, analog recording had arrived, even earlier. But digital recording today is comparable to car technology in the 1920's - not really there yet.

Your assumptions are off by about two decades apiece.

Some of the best digital recordings ever made are from the 1980's, and some of the best analog recordings are from the 1960's.

Digital recording by rank amateurs who don't know what in the bloody hell they're doing is still in its infancy.

It has nothing to do with analog vs digital. If you can't make a good sounding recording on digital, you'd probably be even more lost recording to tape.

There isn't a recording chain in the world that is going to work like the human ear. It's just not possible. THAT's why everything sounds different recorded. Microphones don't feel sounds like a human being does.

If you're not getting the same signal through your tracking phones as you are on playback, something is wrong with your signal chain.
 
Digital recording by rank amateurs who don't know what in the bloody hell they're doing will always be in its infancy.
 
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