Is fiberglass covered in fabric unhealty?

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I've always heard that you shouldn't get fiberglass on your skin because it irritates it but, I've also heard that fiberglass shouldn't be inhaled either.

Wouldn't putting fiberglass panels in a vocal booth or around a studio make you have to breath in an unsafe environment? Are there specifics on the type of fabric you have to cover the fiberglass with?

I just don't want to die early cause I treated my rooms with fiberglass insulation and spent a great deal of time in my death-trap studio. See what I'm saying?

Gimme the low-down.

Chris
 
If the fiberglass is covered in a tight-weave fabric, its not a problem.

If you cut the fabric, and eat the fiberglass, well, yes, its dangerous.
 
Hmmmmm. I guess all those musicians who have recorded in studios with fiberglass absorbers are DOOMED huh?. And the studios could be held libel too. BTW, better not fill you tank with gas either. Read the lable on the pump. Those fumes are deadly. Damned corporate world is going to kill us all. :p (Hint)If you roll around in the fiberglass, it'll give you one hell of an itch, and DON'T wear it as a face mask either. For installation, they invented a couple of new products. These things called Gloves and REAL face masks)
fitZ ;)
PS. you are not using BATT type insulation for treatment are you?
 
chris-from-ky said:
and spent a great deal of time in my death-trap studio.
Chris


hey, at least it was bass-trapped too!!!
 
I suppose my question wasn't geared to bring light to the fact that insulation is harmful to humans, but that it must be properly covered. Right? I mean, can you walk up into your local fabric store (mine is Wal-Mart) and pick a print you like and go for it? Is there a specific type of fabric that is more useful than another for this application?

Tight weave. I guess that'd be the answer, right?

Batting is the stuff you put in home-made throw pillows, right? No, I've not done any treatments to my space yet. I was asking about the fabric before I purchased it.

Thanks,
Chris
 
Hello Chris, excuse my sarcastic nature. Grumpy old fart syndrome. :D
The correct answer is this. Fabric used over RIGID fiberglass insulation SHOULD be "acoustically transparent". At least where it doesn't IMPEDE the movement of air molecules. This is why audio monitors in studios are NOT covered with grill cloth, as ALL fabric will impede the soundwave to some extent. Some, moreso than others. Some have even been tested. Like Guilford of Maine fabrics, which are specified in many studios. Some homerecording people use muslin, or even burlap, although I don't recommend it unless you spray it with a fire retardant product such as 3M makes.

The second part is BATT refers to the TYPE of insulation used in the cavities of walls as THERMAL insulation. This type dampens the vibration in isolation wall assemblys, is cheaper to use in that application than RIGID fiberglass. and performs quite well for this task. As a cavity is an air gap between two LEAVES of a MASS AIR MASS assembly, the BATT insulation also performs absorption tasks, although not to the extent that RIGID FIBERGLASS does, as the density of BATT type insulation is much less.
For BASS traps, and general absorption panels, the type product usually used is OWENS CORNING 703, or 705 RIGID FIBERGLASS PANELS
depending on what you need in absorption. 703 is UNFACED, which means it does not have a covering on either face. Therefore you need to use a fabric to keep from brushing against it. Plus it looks better. :D And yes, it has loose fibers if you rub it, it will release these into the air. However, rigid fiberglass fibers are bound together by a heat process(I believe) or a binding agent. No matter, it doesn't act the same as BATT type insulation in that regard. If you want complete isolation from the fibers, then if used in frames, simply staple a layer of poly(3 mil should work) over it, as this will also
give reflection qualities at higher frequencys, and I believe lower the bandwidth a bit, but don't take my word on that. I also think a
705 comes with aluminum foil on one face which does the same thing as I just explained. These panels come in thickness's from 1/2" to 6". And in panels 2'x4', and maybe in 4'x8', but I've never encountered them that large.
Remember, the thicker the panel, the lower the bandwidth of absorption.
Also, when mounting, do NOT mount directly to the wall. Leave
1/2" to 2 or 3" airgap bbehind them, depending on the thickness used. This lowers the bandwidth also. And actually, Rigid fiberglass works really well if simply placed ACROSS the intersection of walls, walls and ceilings, and to some, even the floor/wall intersections. That is where bass frequencys form.
Well, hope this helps clarify some things. And as usual, here is my disclaimer. I am NOT an expert, and generally just try to pass information on to uninformed people. Some may dispute what I say in some form or other.
fitZ
 
Actually what is not so important is that your fabric not be reflective than be transparent. In other words the point of this exercise is to absorb sound. If you covered your panels in leather or vinyl the sound would bounce off of the surface and never get a chance to even get to the fiberglass behind it. A transparent fabric like Guilford lets the sound through into the fiberglass. But what if the fabric itself was absorbent, like felt? It would tend to add to the absorbency of the whole assembly. So as I said at the start the most important thing is that the covering not be reflective to sound.

I do find that even with the covering a small quantity of fibers will work their way through the fabric and into the air, particularly if the panel is handled.
 
For those who have never seen it, Guilford is a very coarse-weave fabric.
 
Actually what is not so important is that your fabric not be reflective

:confused: Inno, so if it is NOT important that the fabric NOT be reflective, and transparency is NOT important, then WHAT pray tell, is important? ;)

fitZ
 
chris-from-ky said:
I just don't want to die early cause I treated my rooms with fiberglass insulation and spent a great deal of time in my death-trap studio.


OK,

Fiberglass is not a "killer" and you are not going to die from it. The following is a copy of a post I made at another BBS I'm associated with:

There have been more than a few questions/statements regarding health issue relating to fiberglass in the past few weeks - and tis time to maybe put the "myths" to rest.

It was reported in the late 80's early 90's about the possibility of fiberglass being a possible carcinogen - and many claims from various sources since then that it actually is.

However the following comes directly from the American Lung Association:

Direct contact with fiberglass materials or exposure to airborne fiberglass dust may irritate the skin, eyes, nose and throat. Fiberglass can cause itching due to mechanical irritation from the fibers. This is not an allergic reaction to the material. Breathing fibers may irritate the airways resulting in coughing and a scratchy throat. Some people are sensitive to the fibers, while others are not. Fiberglass insulation packages display cancer warning labels. These labels are required by the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) based on determinations made by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) and the National Toxicology Program (NTP).

1994- NTP listed fiberglass as "reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen" based on animal data.

1998- The American Conference of Govern- mental Industrial Hygienists reviewed the available literature and concluded glass wool to be "carcinogenic in experimental animals at a relatively high dose, by route(s) of administra- tion, at site(s), of histologic type(s) or by mechanism(s) that are not considered relevant to worker exposures".

1999- OSHA and the manufacturers volunta- rily agreed on ways to control workplace exposures to avoid irritation. As a result, OSHA has stated that it does not intend to regulate exposure to fiberglass insulation. The voluntary agreement, known as the Health & Safety Partnership Program includes a recom- mended exposure level of 1.0 fiber per cubic centimeter (f/cc) based on an 8-hour workday and provides comprehensive work practices.

2000- The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) reported that epidemiological studies of glass fiber manufacturing workers indicate "glass fibers do not appear to increase the risk of respiratory system cancer". The NAS supported the exposure limit of 1.0 f/cc that has been the industry recommendation since the early 1990s.

2001- The IARC working group revised their previous classification of glass wool being a possible carcinogen. It is currently considered not classifiable as a human carcinogen. Studies done in the past 15 years since the previous report was released, do not provide enough evidence to link this material to any cancer risk.


Here is the link if you wish to check it out yourself:

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35439

In addition i would point out that the American Cancer Society does not even take the time to reference fiberglass.

The advice given above - protecting both your body and lungs from this product - that makes sense - but the claim that the product is a known carcinogen is not recognized by any government agency of any country that i know.

The only claims I know that support the cancer myth are made by fringe groups not recognized by any govt or medical agencies that i am aware of. Apparently without any hard scientific backup to support the claims.

Be safe - be smart - but don't be afraid.........

Sincerely,

Rod
 
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