Is analog digital afterall

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Don't tell Beck... he'll be shattered that his "religion" has been exposed as a fallacy!!! :p


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Blue Bear Sound said:
Don't tell Beck... he'll be shattered that his "religion" has been exposed as a fallacy!!! :p


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Bruce,

It would be really nice if you didn't come here and make inflammatory comments about other members who come here to help and participate in a healthy manner.

Of late, I don't see your participation here as helpful or beneficiary to anyone other then your own ego.

Please go away.

Thanks. :)
 
er... did you notice the tongue-in-cheek smiley?????? That was A JOKE -- lighten the fuck up! :)

Bloody hell -- you analog guys are a sensitive lot, eh? Is it that time of the month again? (machine maintenance.......)
 
Bruce,

Please go away.

You participation here is not helpful.

Thank you.
 
Bruce, please excuse Ghost, he is in the process of quitting smoking.

Ghost, please excuse Bruce, he's just a born smartass.


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Hey there Ghost you know that I have my own occasional difficulties with Bruce but I did'nt get a sense of typical Blue Bear bile in that post. I really think he was just kidding around no malice intended. Any way back to the thread.
Even if the research shows that there are only two different ends/sides/pieces to the magnetic pulse it can still differ greatly from digital in that digital has two pieces being ON and OFF (0 and 1). Maybe the magnetic/anologue wave is some form of ON and ON or something. Just because those two different encoding methods both have a two part or two component process does not mean that those components are the same. Does this make sense two anyone.
 
Yes it makes sense.

Analog, magnetic storage is for all intents and purposes, analogous to the original signal that fed it and reads it back.

Digital information implies mathematical representations of ones and zeros in a binary code.

Magnetic fields are not ones or zeros. They are positive, neutral and negative values in differing strengths of flux.

If we are to take the linked article to it's atomic level then, yes; everything is digital. Are we talking about protons, neutrons, electrons here? If so, I don't want to get into that discussion as I am not a scientist, just a home recording enthusiast.

Cheers! :)

ps;

Blue-Bear;

Sorry if I freaked out at you. I don't ordinarily fly off the handle but, I am going through a tough time right now, trying to quit smoking. It's not easy!

Cheers! :)
 
The Ghost of FM said:
Magnetic fields are not ones or zeros. They are positive, neutral and negative values in differing strengths of flux.

If we are to take the linked article to it's atomic level then, yes; everything is digital. Are we talking about protons, neutrons, electrons here?
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No, the level is much higher than that, it is each magnetic particle, as I understand it. Smaller magnetic particles make for better signal to noise ratio, and crappier low-end response.

And only together in a bunch does all this little bits become differing strengths of flux. Exactly like digital does in a D/A converter.

The best estimates I can come up with is that a typical 2" tape will have 40 million million particles of these per inch. That gives, for a 24" track tape running at 15ips, 2000*15/24 = 25 million million "bits" per second per channel. (actually less because you can't use the full tape width, but what the heck). 24/96 digital has (hold on now) 1,6 million million bits per second per channel.

Yes. I understand you all are shocked. It's not that huge difference. In fact, cram 4 more bits in there and digital wins. ;)

ps. 32bit digital running on 96kHz has 412 million million bits per second per channel. :eek: But 32 bit is floating point, and doesn't map well onto this comparison so ignore that...
 
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The Ghost of FM said:
Blue-Bear;

Sorry if I freaked out at you. I don't ordinarily fly off the handle but, I am going through a tough time right now, trying to quit smoking. It's not easy!

Cheers! :)
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No worries.....!

:)
 
There's nuffin' worse than a grumpy bear...............'specially when he hasn't hibernated cos he was too busy playin' in 'is stoodio during winter.






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Blue Bear Sound said:
Don't tell Beck... he'll be shattered that his "religion" has been exposed as a fallacy!!!
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Actually I was the first to use the term religion in this current debate when I said the following to Bear in the cassette Vs. Reel-to-reel thread:

"You strike me as someone who has bet the farm on digital technology and takes it personally when someone talks frankly about its shortcomings. You cannot honestly pursue excellence if you surrender your objectivity for religion."

Keep in mind that I had been happily going along minding my own business when I became the victim of one of the Bear's sudden attacks.

So really I'm faltered that Bear was so impressed with the concept that he's taken it as his own. Although he turned it around for his own purposes it does give a whisper of hope that he's teachable after all.

Of course what I had in mind when I said it was the memory of everyone rushing over the digital edge some years back like so many lemmings. Now if that isn't true religion I don't know what is.

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Beck said:
Actually I was the first to use the term religion in this current debate when I said the following to Bear in the cassette Vs. Reel-to-reel thread:

"You strike me as someone who has bet the farm on digital technology and takes it personally when someone talks frankly about its shortcomings. You cannot honestly pursue excellence if you surrender your objectivity for religion."

Keep in mind that I had been happily going along minding my own business when I became the victim of one of the Bear's sudden attacks.

So really I'm faltered that Bear was so impressed with the concept that he's taken it as his own. Although he turned it around for his own purposes it does give a whisper of hope that he's teachable after all.

Of course what I had in mind when I said it was the memory of everyone rushing over the digital edge some years back like so many lemmings. Now if that isn't true religion I don't know what is.

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*yawn*

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Blue Bear Sound said:
*yawn*
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I worry about ya buddy-bear -- you must need more sleep. It all makes sense to me now. I mean all these outbursts and vicious attacks -- classic signs of chronic sleep deprivation. ;)
 
How does one submit 9,711 posts in 3 years?

That's overwhelming.
 
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