is a pre amp needed?

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hello everyone, i own a motu 828mk3 firewire hybrid. right now i had to ship it back to motu cause i think there is something wrong with my 2 mic/inst inputs. never the less i was thinking on getting my first mic and it would be for vocals and maybe and i emphasize maybe acoustic guitar. the mic i'm looking at is the rode nt1a. mainly because i have heard lot of good reviews but second because it"s price $229.00 with shock mount, cable, and pop filter. my question to everybody is with this interface and this mic is a preamp need to get a good vocal sound? i do understand that the room and mic placement and also having a good voice play an important factor in all of this but just wondering if you would really need a preamp besides the ones that come with the interface?

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You don't need a preamp.
The motu has two built in which have everything you need to use a rode NT1A.

That said, I really don't like them at all, and never ever use my motu built in preamps.

You should probably just buy a mic and try it. See how you find them yourself.
If it's not working out, you could always pick up a preamp later.

Out of interest, why did you pick up the 828? Do you get use out of the 8 analog ins or digital IO?

If it wasn't for the fact that no one would buy it, I'd sell my motu and never look at the brand again.
Perhaps I've just had bad luck, but man it's been bad. :P
 
Here, I did a preamp comparison clip with an NT1a for you.
My voice as the instrument doesn't exactly highlight my point, but there's definitely a difference.

First impressions of the clip actually make the motu pres seem brighter and more appealing. The other pre definitely has fuller bass to it.

In real day to day use the motu pres have just sounded flat and dull to me.
The other pre sounds like pure radio IMO! :D
 
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i bought the 828 for the two mic/instr front inputs and so i would have the 8 in back specifically for my tdw2o direct outs, there are 8 of them. i understand i could of just recorded the tdw20 as a stereo track going out left and right outs into input 1 & 2 of my old fast track pro but i wanted more flexability.
 
yeah , i can here more bass in the first example and i agree with you on it sounding flat with the motu's. can you give me an idea of how much you can get a decent pre amp for and would you use a pre on a guitar or are they made just for vocals?
 
i bought the 828 for the two mic/instr front inputs and so i would have the 8 in back specifically for my tdw2o direct outs.

Fair enough. Just checking. ;)

I can't really recommend anything to be honest because I don't have any 'off the shelf' preamps, but I'm sure people will make recommendations.

Take this as third hand of course, but I know the maudio dmp3 gets great rep from reputable sources, and perhaps a level above that the GAP pre73 gets nothing but praise.
 
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I'm not going to post a counter claim that MOTU A/D integrated mic pres are simply great, 'best thing since sliced bread'. They're not. But in my experience they are functional. I have not used any variation on the MKIII but started with 828 with original (before there were any 'MKs' at all). I've had a MKII that I've used, primarily for live and/or field recording, w/o issue for about seven years. The units were (& I'm assuming are) built to price. But the primary issue, as always, is budget. How much can you spend, how much will you have to spend to see appreciable improvement (not merely, for example, improved work flow (another vital area for gear purchase)) in Audio.

The expensive part of boutique mic pres remains in the analog circuitry (sometimes the logo). I can buy the IC OpAmps used in one of my best, most flexible pres for roughly $1.87 ea. (I don't replace every outdated IC chip I own with those because not every OpAmp performs well with every topology . . . but even when I've removed egregious components, recapped, etc improvement from replacing 1987 OpAmps with genuinely better 2010 ones is marginal, at best)

If the issues you have with MOTU are corrected to your satisfaction then you don't need, initially, to be overly concerned with replacing the pres. Make some music figure out the limitations of room & gear chain. Get a better feel for what improvements will return most significant results. (If one is doing any ambient recording (i.e. voice/instrument in a room) then anything you do to improve the ambient environment pays off handsomely. If you're doing recording designed to be listened to anywhere other then headphones then anything you do to improve ambient mixing environment returns significant benefit. For example). It would not be surprising to, in a relatively short time, actually need some better mic pres. But there's still a fairly wide gap between ones that will 'get job done' & ones you'll keep even when their technology is old & decrepit (V72 for example). Price point on a pre one does not more or less have to guess to be significant improvement stubbornly remains, roughly, $500. Have not checked prices recently (but there are certainly a lot of threads on the subject) but ones to audition are: FMR RNP, Black Lion 312 & Auteur, True Systems P-Solo, Audient Mico, DAV BG1. Never used the Golden Age but gut response would place it in the pack near the FMR, but undoubtedly worth checking out. While mic pres are far less important (to final sound) then either room or mic not every model of every manufacture flatters every voice. And the final caveat is that I don't, as a rule use the pres on the 828, in fact I typically avoid using mic pres integrated with A/D convertors. But I can't think of a scenario where I'd shut down a session if I need two additional pres and all I had left, available were those on the MOTU.
 
No idea if it appeals to you or not, but there's a dude selling two ISA one preamps right here on the forums.
Just a headsup.
 
Also Check out Guitar center used website, you can get quality stuff really cheap. And if you cant to look at a lot of options Sweetwater and Vintage have great catalogs of gear.
 
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