is a mic that is attached to the drum rims any good ?

[earworm]

i'd like to get two new mics:

one to record only the snares of my snare, so one that can be clipped on my snare-stand would be easy to use

and i'm thinking of another clip-on mic for my floor-tom,
i've seen the beyer-dynamic opus series....there are two clip-on mics,
one of them is hypercardiod;.... i'm interested in that one,
what do you guys think ?


or should i really stay with my sm57's ?

 

[MadAudio]

Clips are fine for live, but for recording you really want to avoid any unnecessary vibrations hitting the mic.

And now to completely contradict what I just said, I've been doing some recording recently with mics on LP Claws attached to all the toms (SM57's) and snare (Beyer M201), and it's been sounding great. It's also freed up some space - no boom stands crowding the kit.

Hypercardiods are great for drums, especially when you want to minimize bleed. Just curious - what's the model number on that Beyer Opus you're thinking of?

 

[DJL]

is a mic that is attached to the drum rims any good?

Clips are fine for live, but for recording you really want to avoid any unnecessary vibrations hitting the mic.

I'll second that.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

I've been using the AKG C418s on toms lately and they've been excellent...... I have not had ANY issues with vibration at all.......

 

[boingoman]

I use shure beta 98s right on the rims- no problems, but if I had one I wouldn't hesitate to put them on stands.

 

[DJL]

I too have use clip-on's before... with some kits/players sometimes you 'almost' have to use them... but, I like to play it safe and mount the mics on stands instead.

 

[earworm]

ok, i opened my closet where i hide allmy tonns of magazines...
and looked up my favorite acticles on microphones;

i got interested in the beyer OPUS series, and i got real curious about the

OPUS 83 ... a cardiod condenser , received real good critics for hihats

and for an extra tom or snare mic i was thinking of the OPUS 67
..its a hypercardiod dynamic mic,
the opus 62 is like the little brother, same capsule but different clip ...this clip just looks like shit to me, but the 67 at least looks a bit decent

so what do you guys think of the opus series all round ?

i didn't buy that opus 83, they say its smooth for hihats, but i hate loud hihats in mixes, so i think i'd just not record my hihat, cause my overheads will pick it up ;.. good decision ?


.....little additional question: so i'm looking for something that might sound "better" on a snare than a sm57....
the ELECTRO VOICE n/d486
hypercardiod
140 euro

never heard or seen this one in real life... so can anyone give some comments on this mike ? it sure looks great and received some nice reviews;.. or should i really stay with my 57's....

 

[xfinsterx]

yeah screw micing the hi hats dude, if for some strange reason theyre not enough in the mix have the drummer playem harder.


i use a blue baby bottle on my snare now. i was recently using a 57 and i always had, and i love the 57 but the blue is just wicked big.

peace

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

yeah screw micing the hi hats dude, if for some strange reason theyre not enough in the mix have the drummer playem harder.

??????

I mic-up the hats often........

Too much generalizing is not a good thing................

 

[xfinsterx]

yes sir! tch...

 

[earworm]

well, right now i'm NOT recording the hihats because its still bleeding through in the other mics.....

but i'm working hard on it, one day i'll have pretty clean audio tracks with not too much bleeding from the other instruments,
and then i'll start investing time and money in a hihat mic

i think its a personal thing, but i just can NOT stand loud hihats in songs...
maybe mostly because i listen alot to "underground" music, music recorded by No big professionals, know what i'm saying ?

and mostly the hihat is just treated like shit, or like if they ignored it and its SOO loud over evertying, if you turn the volume of the song up , or wanna make it sound more crisp : DAMN, there you got that annoying loud hihat in the way that seems to fuck up the entire sound

but of course... .you don't get that with real good records;..
now i'm listening to "like gods of the sun" of My Dying Bride,
and i love the cymabls and hihats on that record,
dark dark dark but smooth

rrrr

 

[BruceAMiller]

If you are not going to record the hi hat, be sure your overheads are good. DO NOT TRY TO USE HI HAT LEAKAGE ON THE SNARE MIC...you need to move your mic if you have enough you can "use".

Try a 57 on the snare top and an AKG 414 (with the pad, set to hypercardioid) on the bottom. You will get great isolation.

Remember to flip your bottom mic phase, and DON"T FORGET TO CHECK THE PHASE OF YOUR OVERHEADS TO THE REST OF THE KIT...YOU WILL MOST LIKELY NEED TO FLIP THEM TO GET REAL BOTTOM.

Me, I always mic the hi hat as well and only rarely did not use it. I am currently mixing a jazz fuuuuusion album with a famous drummer. On one song the engineer did not record the hat track (I guess he ran out of inputs...?!?!?!). Unfortunately, when mixing I noticed that the overhead right mic and the hi hat mic must have gotten switched at the mic panel...because the hat track was really the overhead, and the overhead mic was really the hat.....but the hat track was eq'ed like a bad overhead, and vice versa...

And the song that the engineer neglected to track the "hat" on...has only one overhead!!!

I have since called the producer and told him to smack his recording engineer for working with his eyes rather than his ears.

-Bruce Miller
more tips and starving artist mix special at http://BruceAMiller.us