Is (a) CyanJaguar a musician???

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" Amorita"


Is cyanjaguar a musician if he does all his recording in one bedroom, and mixes on ns10ms?

What if he records over a four bar loop and does all the instruments himself?


Hi,
please listen to amorita and tell me what you think of the mixing in particular.

I mistakenly deleted my vegas pro masters, so this is the finished version. I think I could have removed some 2k from the chorus.

But tell me what you think.

Please be frank. I know that it smarts, but it will only make me better.

thanks.

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If you wish, also listen to "God in your eyes" which is a quick mix I did with my new Monitor twos so that you guys can tell me what I am not hearing with these big dogs. I am thinking that the monitor two mix is a little bit muddy, but it does not sound like that on my monitors. What do you think?
this was done in logic

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"amorita"

vocals
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some $400 mic,
into a joemeek vc6q,
into the Delta 1010,
into vegas,
with crappy vegas eq

instruments were
jv 1010(guitar, and piano)
and korg(kick, bass,snare, and pad)

the kick and bass went through the joemeek for compression, but I did it all wrong because I was trying to judge the low end on the ns10 ms.

effects were lexicon lxp-1.




"God in your eyes"

the $400 mic
trough the joemeek
into delta 1010
into Logic

my pals guitar was a $50 yard sale guitar but that did not matter , cos it was a quick job just so you can hear my new monitors.

I added the bass from the jv1010, as an afterthought so that you guys can also comment on the low end accuracy of the Alesis. Logic's timing was off and so was mine

All effects were plugins this time


thanks
 
Hey, that was killer?

One thing I HAVE TO SAY, Get rid of that guitar in the end, either that or maybe try raising the level or something.
 
Love the song.....

I think the arrangent was too sparse.....and I really wanted that bassline to pump....Nut made a good call on that guitar at the end...some off it was ok but I just wanted to hear it panned straight up the middle.....

Love the song.....

Makes me wanna say something in Spanish....

Yo quiero Christina Aguillera.....
 
Horns...thats what I wanted to hear......coming in an out of the mix, not during the whole song...under the chours and in and out during the verses...then a horn solo for that outro.....
 
I love the chorus... That's AWESOME. :)

I sort of... Well... Pretty much... Uuuummm... Don't like the drums at all. I'm just not into the drum machine sound, and I think with some cool latin loops you could make a real nice feel out of this. (I am an Acid junkie, so I have gotten used to using loops for all my drum tracks. THough it can be hard to get a real "live feel" out of the loops, it can be done with some time, and they also sound real, which I like.)

I think the guitar could work at the end, though I didn't like the feel of some of it - the tapping and hammer ons, etc. I think a more laid back greoove to a lead could be nice. An acoustic would work well too.

I think the song has serious potential. I really did love the vocals all around, and the chorus is particularly catchy.

Peace.
 
Thanks Guys very much for listening

haha nutdotnet,

Yeah, the guitar at the end was kind of.... my pal had just got a lesson from a peer who was much better and he was still kinda smarting. Thanks though?

Gidge,
yeah I agree that the arrangement was way sparse. I agree even more about the horns. I never do horns, but when you mentioned it, I could almost hear the horns in the song. Bright horns would have taken this song to another place.

Kabudokan,

Yeaah, I know about the drums thing, but I take some time writing songs, and I don't know any drummer that I could call in to do it.
I do have acid though. I need to give that a try. I unistalled it after I could not get creative with it.
How do you get your drums and loops?
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Guys thanks again for listening to my work. I need a favor though. I am very concerned with the other mix "God in your eyes" since it was mixed on my current monitors.
Kindly take a listen and tell me how I can eq or something to get more articulation
 
What Gidge said about horns, yeah.

What I like best about this recording is the sound on the vocals - upfront, nice sound, the right amount of effect. I like your singing too. :)

Not sure about the reverb on the guitar noodles at the end of the song - they sounded a bit underwater in the context of the mix. I wanted them brighter, if you know what I mean.

Good song. Who's this Amorita person, then? Or is that just Spanish for 'Lovey'?
 
Cyan, I think the mix on "God" sounds just fine all around. THe guitar sound is cheap (from the Blue Light Special $50 guitar you mentioned, no doubt), but I think it almost works in context with the song.

The bass sounded ok as far as the levels are concerned. I am not sure about the sound you used, but I undertsand it was kind of thrown together at the last minute as a test.

The vocals sound wonderful. Really great singing and the sound is right on. No complaints at all there.

I like the song a lot. I would love to hear it with some drums coming in to fatten it up and complete it. If you want to record it w/ a click track and send it over, I'll play with some backing tracks if ya want. ;)

As far as what I do with drums - I have a bunch of loop discs. The most useful ones I have are Drum Tools and a couple others with a bunch of drum loops on them (Universal Groove Elements, etc). The Drum Tools disc has a bunch of fills which are great for "livening" up the tracks. I also use a lot of one shots to make my own loops. Pretty much every song I have done uses Acid for the drums. I would be lost without it. Drop me a line if you need more info or suggestions or help or anything. :)
 
Amorita makes me wish I was a latino!I love that subtle
ethnic feel.
It seems to me that your mix is a little too quiet though.
I would bring the level up a little.
 
hi all,

dobro, thanks for listening. I did not even eq the guitar. I just left it as it was.

Thanks for the comment on my voice. I am currently taking voice classes so its getting even better.

as far as the vocal sound, I have to attribute that to the c414/vc6q combo. THere were no plugins on the vocals. I eq it on the vc6q cos I hated the vegas (track optimised) eq I had

kabudokan,
thanks for the info on acid. I will go and reinstall it. I have the eight track version that came with the Logic delta package. Is this enough tracks for drums and fills and the one time sound effect?

I want my friend to rerecord the song. THis time with a pickup and at 96 khz so that it sounds even better. If he is up to that, I will send you an mp3. THanks for the offer.

I really like the sound I get out of my mic and pre. And the logic plugins are wow

Beezelbubba,
thanks for the comment. It makes me almost wish that I was a latino.

Yeah, non judicios use of compression means that the mixes lack overall level even though the song hits zero in many places.

Its even worse with "god in your eyes" cos I cant even see any meters in Logic.
thanks for listening
 
Hello. I downloaded "Amorita". This is the first time I've heard any of your stuff.

This tune is a lot of fun to listen to. I can imagine people drunk at parties dancing around to this.

Not that I could do any better, but since you asked, here are some points that I think could be improved:

#1. I agree with the stuff said about the guitar at the end.

#2. The instruments sound excessively MIDI-ish. I'm not sure, but it could be over-quantized. Or maybe it's a lack of dynamics. I think I remember reading once that your keyboard didn't have velocity-sensitivity - or was that someone else?

#3. The vox sounds good, but the intonation (on the English part) could be better. Note: I only noticed this the first time I listened. After the first time it sounded fine.

#4. The spoken/rapped part at around 3.07 - 3.15 is sounds a little unclear and muffled on my speakers. I think I can hear you breathing on the mic. Do you use a pop filter?

Good stuff. It's nice to have more diversity around here.
 
thanks for listening to my work Mrlip,

I agree with everything you said about the mix.
This was my first mix, and the midi-ish sound was because every note was raised to 127 and everything had a tight quantize applied.

NOw I just quantize the drums and bass and let everything else flow freely.

I did not apply any eq to the rap. I did not want vegas pro eq to ruin the little quality I had going in.

I have to go check out intonation in the dictionary. The accent was off, since I am a foriegner trying to sing english as best I can, but its getting better.

thanks again.
 
Hey that's cool Cyan.

Very good vocals, you sing well! Is that you on all the vocals?

MIDI.. hmmm, add an acoustic guitar rhythm some real drums(and bass guitar), that would rock! Maybe some better samples or more realistic programming if real drums are not an option.

Agree with guitar noodling at the end. Like the right channel playing.. stick with the spanish style riffs, try them on an acoustic maybe.

Nice stuff!
 
and dont forget the horns...go all out Latin flavoring for the choruses......
 
Hey CJ,

That was excellent. Very tunefull, and nicely recorded.

Don't feel bad about recording in the bedroom, I have to record in the garage next to the kitty litter, well not right next to it.

Ok I'm going to play it again right now!

You sing very well, indeed. Drum machine didn't bother me, I have to use one too.

One nit, guitar at end sounded out of tune, that's it.

Great work!
 
I listened to Amorita. I thought it was pretty good. THe vocals were really good and the mix was clean. A little deeper bass would have helped. I know it's hard to get without clipping however. NIce work

Regarding the guitar at the end, yeah, I don't know if it was the panning or, the guitar itself could have been a little out of tune. More of a jazz scale would have probably fit better, but I think putting it in the middle would help some.

Overall: very good though

Ray J
 
Hey Cyan,

I like what you have done here. These songs have character. I would agree with everyone about the guitar.
I think I would either center it a little more and add some delay and a little reverb because it sounds to dry which kinda makes it sound to upfront in the mix. Or create a stereo image but still wet it down a little.

The vocals sound superb and you know that you have given your fellow Joemeek users hope :) What kind of effect is that on "God in your eyes"

Youre doing great! Keep it up!!
 
thanks all for listening. This has been a real eye-opener, getting comments from people from all over the world.

Sometimes though, I listen to the song and I'm like what was I thinking when I did this or that.

Elbenj,
"God in your eyes" was recorded with only software fx. I tried to use jaimicer's(a homerecordin.com/bbs/ member) approach. THat is stereo panning plus reverb.

The effect was something like 600 ms on the left channel, and about 90 ms on the right channel to fatten it up a little bit. The reverb was about 2 seconds long.
There was also another vocal in there that was shifted forward one beat, to sound like a delay, and it had automation on it. It is very low, so its kinda hard to hear.

The effects were all logic platinum plugins by the way.
 
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