Freudian Slip
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Cool chart southSide Glen.
masteringhouse
www.masteringhouse.com
G. does it again, Great job.
In version 2.0 it might be nice to re-create this in Flash and actually hear a sine wave corresponding with the frequencies as you rollover the various regions, or be able to play the note on the keyboard if you click on it.
In version 2.0 it might be nice to re-create this in Flash and actually hear a sine wave corresponding with the frequencies as you rollover the various regions, or be able to play the note on the keyboard if you click on it.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
I have considered something very close to that. During my research I came across a page that allows one to roughly chart their own ear/monitoring chain combined response curve via the playback of sine wave tones. I thought that might be a neat thing to include.masteringhouse said:
The idea has its problems, however; it's far from scientifically accurate and is subject to idiosyncracies in the response of one's sound card and monitoring chain. As such, I reamin unconvinced of it's usefulness as anything but a "k3wl idea", and might actually steer some folks in the wrog direction if they were to take the results as actual truth.
Nevertheless, I do have several other things in the works in the way of neato resources for the independant recorder. Stay tuned...
P.S. The viola typo has been fixed. Thanks Al.
G.
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SonicAlbert
Super-Sonic "Herb" Albert
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Five string electric basses come in a couple varieties: an added low "B" below the low "E", or an added high "C" above the "G" string. Most (or all) that I've seen have the added low "B".
Upright string basses have what's called a low C extension. It's a piece of hardware that fits on the top of the bass, where the scroll is. It can be switched in or out by a piece that clamps on the string, allowing the player to choose low "E" or low "C" as the bottom note of their instrument.
The low C extension is common among classical players, but I've worked with many bass players that have the C extension and are using it outside classical music.
The low C extension, along with the five string electric bass are probably not used a lot in your average garage band or on casuals, but seem fairly common among players doing sessions, shows, and tours, etc.
Maybe you could indicate these possible lower notes on the bass by using the same black bar that you used for the low range of the tuba and french horn.
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RAK
Manufacturer - Shure, Inc
SonicAlbert said:
Like a Boesendorfer.
Okay, so I just wanted to say Boesendorfer.
Anyone know where the umlat is on this thing?
MadAudio
Damned if I do
ö = Alt+0246RAK said:
ë = Alt+0235
ä = Alt+0228
ü = Alt+0252
ï = Alt+0239
MadAudio
Damned if I do
BTW, Glen on the compression guide link, "it's" should not have an apostrophe.
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RAK
Manufacturer - Shure, Inc
Hey Mad, thanks. I was just kidding, but I didn't realize you could actually do those characters. Unless you're just pulling my leg, in which case, good show.
The misplaced apostrophe is definetly a plague on our society.
The misplaced apostrophe is definetly a plague on our society.
bennychico11
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RAK said:
yeah, that happens alot
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
This falls into that category that I was talking about earlier where if I were to list every variation of every instrument I'd wind up with either an instrument chart as tall as an NBA basketball playerSonicAlbert said:
or I'd wind up with frequency ranges for instruments that go from 20-20K every time (OK, that's a false stretch, but you know what I mean )But your idea of using the black bars to stretch it a bit may be valid in this instance. Let me look at it a bit; I may add it in.
G.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
And, if I'm not mistaken, you have to use the numeric keypad and not the numbers across the top of the QUERTY (or has that changed?). Also, the zeros are necessary.MadAudio said:
D'OH!! That plague is one of my pet peeves, and one I am usually immune to. How embarassing! OK, I got that fixed right away.MadAudio said:
Thanks everybody for the fantastic feedback! It's much appreciated.
G.
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RAK
Manufacturer - Shure, Inc
bennychico11 said:yeah, that happens alot
Good one
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
Revisions and updated info
IMPORTANT UPDATE: Over the next few days I will start moving this stuff over to the new permanent website location, which will be located at www.independentrecording.net. Anybody who has bookmarked this stuff should be prepared to update their bookmarks accordingly.
G.
Benny, I went back and looked at this. The best double-source information I can find shows both the Eb Alto Sax (without the low A) and the A Clarinet as going down to a C#3, and the Bb Tenor Sax as going down to a B2. This is indeed where I show them all going on the frequency chart (I did originally show a C3 instead of a C#3 in the text, but that has been refined.) I'm not sure where you're getting the "low A" thing from?bennychico11 said:I was going to say...the saxophones/clarinet range is off by a few steps (particularly the lower fundamentals).
I guess maybe a disclaimer could be added for people not to use this sheet when trying to find the range of an instrument (for composing purposes). If you start composing alto sax music to go down to a low A, you're going to see quite a few players with their foot in their horns
Done. I actually extended it down to the low B, figuring that'll cover both the 5-string and the C extension mod. Also added a bit of text to the instrument detail to reflect that low fundamentals can go as low as B0.SonicAlbert said:
IMPORTANT UPDATE: Over the next few days I will start moving this stuff over to the new permanent website location, which will be located at www.independentrecording.net. Anybody who has bookmarked this stuff should be prepared to update their bookmarks accordingly.
G.
andyhix
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SouthSIDE Glen said:Hmmm, can you tell me which version of IE and which version of Windows you're running? That *should* not be an issue in IE...at least it does not show up on any of the machines it was beta tested on.
But if it is indeed happening in IE for you as well, that may be something I can code fix for.
If you can tell me the above info, as well as whether you're getting the status bar along the bottom and whether the auto-hide on the task bar helps or not, that will hopefully help me zero in on a fix.
Thanks for the info!
G.
XP Professional 2.0 service pack 2. I.E version 6.0
bennychico11
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SouthSIDE Glen said:
Ah, you're talking about the A clarinet. The A clarinet is not very common (yes, more common than the other clarinets)...but the clarinet you hear the most is the Bb soprano clarinet. It's the ones 5th grade students learn on and are played a lot in recitals, orchestral concerts, etc. Personally I never saw the reason for the A clarinet, as it only extends it down a half step (to the concert C#3 you mentioned). I guess, maybe it does have a more mellow of a tone. However, the lowest written note for both the Bb and A is an E...C#3 in concert for the A clarinet and D3 for the Bb soprano. But I guess you can leave that as a blanket for the two clarinets....of course, if you get into the bass or contrabass clarinets we'll have to go lower
(both fun instruments to play BTW)The low A key I was talking about for saxophone is common on more professional models of baritone saxophones only. A saxophone you'll see in jazz bands and sax quartets a lot. This would give you a concert C (in whatever octave that is). I could have sworn that's what you wrote...but I'm looking now and not seeing it, maybe I misread. Sorry for that. So that one's right, although I would call that a Db and not a C# for transposition purposes (it's easier to sight read up a 6th to a Bb).
BUT...the Bb tenor saxophone actually goes down to Ab2 (it's lowest written note is also a Bb on the treble clef).
Here's a good site for orchestra instrumental ranges:
http://www.philharmonia.co.uk/thesoundexchange/the_orchestra/instruments/
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RAK
Manufacturer - Shure, Inc
bennychico11 said:
I have to agree there. I'm by no means a clarinetist, but having played with someone who uses both, I can say there are definetly tonal differences, and one does seem to be more appropriate at times, depending on the tune, and the key.
bennychico11
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RAK said:
I've played both (as well as the rest of the clarinet family) and just found the two to be very slightly different....like you said, with regards to tone. Which has mostly to do with the longer bore (and possible a smidge wider).
Many of the times that they are called for is during orchestral works where it features the clarinet more predominately and some solo stuff. The times where maybe clarinet tone is more important to be mellow. Professionals (which I am not) will purchase both and carry the A at all times. Because you'll get the weird show tunes and the like that call for the A clarinet for only 5 lines. I prefer to save the money and just transpose it
RedStone
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very cool ... looks like it took a long time!
cudos!
cudos!
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
This is the hassle with making a chart like this is deciding on which member of an instrument family to choose as the "represntatve" in such a chart. Sometimes (not always) I chose ranges which were composites of nore than one version of the instrument, in order to give the full potential range for the instrument. The main purpose of this chart is not for the composer - who should be using note range tables like what you linked to, Ben, not bar graphsbennychico11 said:
- but for the curious listener and budding engineer, and they need to know what the possibilities are.It's not so much a map of the instruments as it is a map of the audio spectrum. The idea is to get a feel; a fairly accurate, if somewhat flawed, (every map has it's flaws) guide to just how what one hears coming out of their speakers relates to the otherwise abstract concept of "the audio spectrum". Using this chart for purposes such as the importance and place of harmonics in sound, the relation of different frequencies to different instruments, the general relation of the instruments to each other, the relation of frequency to the perception of what we're actually hearing, and the relation of what we actually hear to the goofy little frequency numbers on all of our hardware and software.
That's ultimately all this chart is about. Would I like it to be as accurate as possible? Of course. I thank you all for, and welcome the feedback and have already made some corrections and refinements. WIll it ever be 100% accurate? No, there are always going to be some assumptions made here or technical generalizations or ommissions made there in order to keep the map from becoming unusable in complexity or cost-prohibitive in resolution of detail. And in the case of compositing instrument versions, to actually purposly sacrifice a little technical detail accuracy to gain in intended functionality.
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bennychico11
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SouthSIDE Glen said:The main purpose of this chart is not for the composer - who should be using note range tables like what you linked to, Ben, not bar graphs
oh of course. But I've seen charts like this that predate the history of "recording"....where it's just a layout of the notes on piano and the exact bar graph you show, giving the range of each instrument. These have been used by composers for a long time.
Similar graphs, just with a little more technical detail in todays world.
But it's all good...I was just being picky. Naturally the first thing I look at on those charts are the instruments I play.
It's still a great graph though, Glen