intel p3 1.2ghz or celeron 2.2 gig

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Hey guys, my motherboard took a dump. At the present time, I can't afford a new system. I was running a p3 800, 512 mem. I can pick up a motherboard and a P3 1.2 Tualatin processor for about $200. That way I just replace the motherboard and go. I'm running Sonal 1.3.1 with windows 98. This computer store tells me I can get a Celeron 2.2 ghz, 512 mem, motherboard and power supply for $320. They said the "old" mith about Celerons is not true anymore. They said the "old" Celerons had no "L2" cache, that's why no one recommended them for recording music but, the new ones have 128K L2 cache. Can someone help me make up my mind plz....... thanks.........
 
No Celerons.

:D

If you don't have enough money, wait for the money.

No Celerons.
 
bgavin said:
No Celerons.

:D

If you don't have enough money, wait for the money.

No Celerons.
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You are mistaken. The newer Celerons would actually outperform the P3.
 
Always go with the newer technology.

Celeon with 128 L2 cache > p3
 
I guess I wouldn't know anything about that... after (3) engineering tours at Intel, and 31 years in the computer business.

You go for it.

:D

Somebody has to buy those slow, lame pieces of junk.

If I'm misunderstood here, it is "No Celerons." The comment about wait for the money means, get enough money for a P4 or AMD machine.

Buying yesterday's techology (P3 and Celeron) is a pure waste of money.
 
Buying yesterday's techology (P3 and Celeron) is a pure waste of money.
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I think you're right and wrong.

If you know that eventually you'll be moving up the recording ladder,it's better to hold out.As most of the people on this forum will attest,it has a tendency to snowball.

On the other hand,machines today are three to four times as powerful as a few years ago,but the music sure is'nt three to four times better.If Flash can get up and running for $200 that's not really bad.Sometimes it's a "mines bigger than yours"situation when it comes to computers when we should really be making music.We have to walk that fine line between gear being a tool or being a distraction.
 
I've been trying to do a lot of research before I spend any money. Like I said, I'm using Sonar 1.3.1 at the present time. I would like to move up to 3.1 when I can afford that also. I went to cakewalk.com and found the system requirements for 3.1 are
(min) 800 mgz. A 1.2 mgz or better is recommended. So, if I go with the P3 1.2 Tualatin, I should be fine. That breaks down to a new motherboard and processor for about $200 including shipping. I already have 512 mem and a scsi drive. With the motherboard I'm gonna get I can goto 1.5 gig of mem. I think I should be fine for a few years anyway. Funny thing is, with my old 800 mhz machine I've done quite a few songs with 8 to 10 tracks no problem. I think I'm gonna stick with the P3.
P.S. if anyone has more info, I would love to hear it.
Thanks for your info so far..................
P.S.S.
Sometimes it's a "mines bigger than yours"situation when it comes to computers when we should really be making music.
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Acidrock.... I think you hit the nail on the head. :cool:

Edit: I just ordered the P3 1.2 gig Tualatin, Super Cooling Kit and Motherboard. I was a little off on the $200 quoted above. I forgot to add on the fan. Heck, the fan was $30 bucks.
Total price $209.18 :D I'll be back up in no time :cool:
 
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I just don't get the penny pinching mentality on your computer hardware.

Guys drop tons of loot on mics with subtle differences, but go ultra cheap where a few bux would get 'em an ass-hauling AMD and nForce board.

When I was doing government procurement for computer systems, the prevailing thinking was buy as much as you could possibly afford, then hold onto it for as long as possible.

Yes, computer hardware has changed. So has 96 KHz and 24-bit sampling rates. Run the math for 16 channels, and you will see there is a ton of megabytes transferred off the disk channel.

Running a 333 MHz FSB, or faster is a huge plus. Ditto for dual-channel DDR memory. A processor with a large L1/L2 is a plus for random instruction streams. A highly efficient pipelined system in the instruction pre-fetch bus is desireable.
 
bgavin,
I just don't get the penny pinching mentality on your computer hardware.
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It isn't so much a "penny pinching mentality" that was going though my mind. When I put together my first computer, the P3 800. It was about the best I could put together at the time. Computer's are changing so fast that 6 months after I put it together, it was out dated. Like I said, I run Sonar 1.3.1 and the old 800 did a fine job up to the day it died. I don't play games or much of anything else on it. So, the question in my mind was, when is enough, enough. If Sonar 3.1 recommends a 1.2 gig or better, I'm covered. I already have 512 mem, and I can boost that up another 256 if needed. I feel I'll really be in fine shape.
Thanks for replying though..... :cool:
 
minimum requirements are just that, what's the slowest sonar can run on. yes it will run, but how bad will the latency and drop outs be?

You say you had a 800mhz machine running Sonar 1. And you think that a 1.2 ghz will be fine for Sonar 3 because your last one was fine for sonar 1. Sonar 3 and 1 are totally different.
 
minimum requirements are just that, what's the slowest sonar can run on. yes it will run, but how bad will the latency and drop outs be?
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This is a good point.For S1,Flash will have plenty of power,S3 things will be shaky.
Another thing going against him is 98se.

I think the answer is to either spend very little or spend a lot,anything in between would be a waste.
 
acidrock said:
This is a good point.For S1,Flash will have plenty of power,S3 things will be shaky.
Another thing going against him is 98se.

I think the answer is to either spend very little or spend a lot,anything in between would be a waste.
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Ameen...!!! :cool:
 
acidrock, you are right. That was what was going though my mind. Using Sonar 1.3.1 with the P3 1.2 should be kick ass. That's what I was looking at. It will work with S3 but, I have to go to XP then my Dman 2044 won't work so..... I would have to replace a lot off things. :( That to me will be in the future, maybe after Christmas, who knows. Anyway, my GF is the secretary of a bowling league and she is quiting after September. Right now they supply her computer, which is what I'm using right now. So, my plan is to let her have my P3 1.2 and I'll get a new one. Kill 2 birds with one stone they say..... :D
 
Hey, a little of topic:

Will my new laptop with a Celeron 2.2 GHz with 256 MB RAM be faster than my AMD Athlon 1.6 GHz with 1GB RAM?
 
moskus said:
Hey, a little of topic:

Will my new laptop with a Celeron 2.2 GHz with 256 MB RAM be faster than my AMD Athlon 1.6 GHz with 1GB RAM?
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Poor soundcard, no dual monitor... I bet no... :p :D
 
I always thought the way that Celeron was cheap against the Pentium for the same processor was that the way that the Celeron chips calculate, something like Celeron only calculate (I'm pulling numbers out of my butt here) to the 99th decimal where the Pentium calculates down to the 300th decimal... meaning that when you work with simple calculations on business applications it works fine, however when you do heavy editing such as multimedia such as sound production/recording, high-end graphics/animation etc the Pentium will out perform the Celeron.

Porter
 
Porter said:
I always thought the way that Celeron was cheap against the Pentium for the same processor was that the way that the Celeron chips calculate, something like Celeron only calculate (I'm pulling numbers out of my butt here) to the 99th decimal where the Pentium calculates down to the 300th decimal... meaning that when you work with simple calculations on business applications it works fine, however when you do heavy editing such as multimedia such as sound production/recording, high-end graphics/animation etc the Pentium will out perform the Celeron.

Porter
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Celerons initially had a disabled FPU, that has not been the case in a very long time.
 
moskus said:
You can have dual-monitors on a laptop.. ;)
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oh sure, if you can afford dual monitor, then get bigger RAM, would ya :D
 
Quotes by dmbpettit,
minimum requirements are just that, what's the slowest sonar can run on. yes it will run, but how bad will the latency and drop outs be?
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I missed this the first time. Just to set things straight....

Minimum requirements for Sonar 3.0 are....
operating system--windows 2000
processor speed---800 mhz
memory--------------128 mem
hard drive------------any hard drive
sound card-----------any windows compatable
graphics--------------1024 X 768, 16-bit color

Recommended requirements are......
operating system---xp
Processor speed----1.2 gig or higher
memory---------------512 ram
hard drive------------EIDI/Ultra DMA (7200 RPM) or SCSI Hard Drive
sound card-----------WDM or ASIO compatible***
graphics--------------1280 X 960, 24-bit color or higher
You say you had a 800mhz machine running Sonar 1. And you think that a 1.2 ghz will be fine for Sonar 3 because your last one was fine for sonar 1. Sonar 3 and 1 are totally different.
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Yup, I think I'll be fine.
P3 1.2 Gig Tualatin with a Gig of Mem, Scsi HD and a delta 1010.... yup..
Be :cool:
 
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