Insurance settlement $$ comming, what do you think about this DAW?

[anppilot]

All products are comming from NEWEGG.com I have their model #'s if u want to check them out.

I am upgrading from a PIII 500MHZ, 512 MB RAM. So this baby should scream.

PARTS:

1. Ever Case ECR9400B Black 4U Rackmount Case
Model #: ECR9400B
Item #: N82E16811127011
$124.99

2. Gigabyte GA-M59SLI-S5 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #: GA-M59SLI-S5
Item #: N82E16813128011
$188.99

3. SILVERSTONE SST-FP52-B Black Aluminum Multifunction Panel - Retail
Model #: SST-FP52-B
Item #: N82E16813999351
$29.99

4. Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-500 ATX12V 500W Power Supply - Retail
Model #: SP-500
Item #: N82E16817103937
$65.99

5. AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Processor Model ADA4000BNBOX - Retail
Model #: ADA4000BNBOX
Item #: N82E16819103529
$135.00

6. 3/EA Kingston 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) System Memory Model KVR800D2N5/1G - Retail
Model #: KVR800D2N5/1G
Item #: N82E16820134114
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$169.99/EA $509.97 for 3GB of RAM

7. SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Windows 98SE/ ME/ 2000/ XP - OEM
Model #: SFD321B/LBL1
Item #: N82E16821103203
$5.99

8. Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD800JD
Item #: N82E16822135106
$43.99

9. Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JS 200GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD2000JS
Item #: N82E16822144416
$74.99

10. Logitech Cordless Desktop EX110 967561-0403 Black USB + PS/2 RF Wireless Standard Keyboard Mouse Included - Retail
Model #: 967561-0403
Item #: N82E16823126174
$28.95

11. Pioneer 16X DVD±R DVD Burner With 5X DVD-RAM Read Black ATAPI Model DVR-111D - OEM
Model #: DVR-111D
Item #: N82E16827129001
$31.99

12. ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro Cooling Fan with Heatsink - Retail
Model #: Freezer 64 Pro
Item #: N82E16835185125
$29.99

Subtotal: $1,270.83 I believe this is a good price. You cant buy anything already made for this price with these good parts.


A. Did I figure it right? I mean, Should that motherboard, ram and processer work together?

B. And 800 FSB, Should make it really scream eh?

C. I don't know about case fans. Do I really need one? And if so, what one do you recomend that is whisper quiet?

D. I see from the picture of the case that there is 2 places for fans in the read and one in the front? Do I need 3 fans? Or just one in the front? or one in the front and one in the rear?

Please help, any and all opinions and knowledge is helpful

Thanks

 

[wheelema]

If you are going to stay with a rackmount check out the I-Star D400L Storm. Very quiet, very cool.

People may chide you for selecting a floppy disk drive. Ignore them.

If you really value your creative efforts I would pop for two of the WD 10,000 RPM drives in a RAID 1 array for your audio.

I would pop in a CD-RW drive along with the DVD-RW... they write much much faster than the DVD-RW drives if you are going to be distributing music.

I would look at the Zalman CNPS9500 CPU fan for maximum quiet cooling.

Silent PC Review is a good site for quiet stuff, and www.endpcnoise.com purports to offer practical solutions.

You forgot to spec out a video card. I wouldn't go overboard on this item... the nVidia 6800 boards are hitting the $100 mark and are one hell of a good choice. The 6600 are not quite as good, but still quite nice and should be a bit cheaper.

Don't forget to bundle a copy of WindowsXP Pro (or whatever) in your budget, and unless you already have a monitor you forgot that too.

Luck.

 

[xstatic]

I would also give some serious consideration to putting a good quality power supply in your setup, and not just a basic ANtec one.

 

[Minion]

If I were you I would look at getting an Intel Dual Core setup as they are Cheaper than the Athlon X2"s (I know yer not getting an X2) and Perform much better....

as of right now Intel Holds the Crown for the Fastests Comercial CPU"s and there Prices are very reasonable compared to what they used to be....


Just a Thought!!

 

[rockabilly1955]

Man. . . . Thats alot of gear. I think i'll stick with my apple commodore

 

[anppilot]

A. Static, what do you recomend for a powersupply

B. Yes, I do need a copy of Windows XP

C. The D-400L rackmount case is bad azz.....but jesus....$450.00 ? !@#$%
OH MY GOD !!! You got to be kidding.

D. What would you recomend for a dual core setup?

E. So whats the problem with AMD? AMD or Pentium?

 

[travelin travis]

Seasonic S12-380 would be a fine power supply for your system. You do need at least one case fan, as an exhaust. I would get a couple of Nexus real silent 92mm fans, one for intake and one for exhaust. If your pc runs hot, it won't perform as good as it should and it won't last as long. If you use cheapo fans, they will be noisy.

 

[wheelema]

A. Static, what do you recomend for a powersupply

??? The Antec are top of class! What in the heck is Static talking about?!?

...the D-400L rackmount case is bad azz.....but jesus....$450.00 ? !@#$% OH MY GOD !!! You got to be kidding.

You are looking in the wrong places... look here.

...what would you recomend for a dual core setup?

Forget dual core... nothing exploits it. You are paying for bleeding edge. Put your money into a UPS or something else practical.

So whats the problem with AMD? AMD or Pentium?

You can overclock AMD, you cannot (safely) overclock Intel... no matter what people tell you. Intel HATES overclocking.

 

[xstatic]

Wheelema, it looks like you need to do a little more research. Antec MAY make a couple of good power supplies, but almost all of them are standard run of the mill pwoer supplys. Top of the class though? Not even close. POwer supplies are extremely important yet underrated parts of a system and directly have effects on hardware longevity and can even affect system speed and stability. Is Antec bad? no. If you want to run a "power" system though, I would definately look elsewhere. The Seasonic above is nice, the upper range Thermaltakes are excellent, and I am currently using a Raidmax Volcano (which is one of their only nicer power supplies.

Now on to dual core.... the statement "nothing exploits it" is absolutely incorrect. I know for certain that the newer versions of Cubase SX are coded to specifically take advantage of dual core technology. I have not paid attention to what other software and hardware items do this as well, but I can guarantee that if Steinberg has already done it (6 months or more ago no less) that many other companies have also done it and many more to come as well. Dual core is an excellent investment in the future as well as in the current. Even things that are not specifically designed to utilize dual core technology most often perform better with the dual core chips.

I am a big AMD fan, but to say that you can not safely overclock Intel chips is once again absolutely false. They may not be as simple to overclock as AMD chips, but are safely overclackable none the less. Like ALL overclocking situations though, it is imperitive to pay attention to details such as power supplies and varying voltages, what type and brand of hardware you are using, which chipset, and which specific processor you are using as well as good cooling systems both for the system as a whole and specifically for the processor. With proper care and research there are intel chips out there that exhibit huge performance boosts from overclocking, and depending on how you implement overclocking in your system, are perfectly stable as well.

 

[Minion]

Like ALL overclocking situations though, it is imperitive to pay attention to details such as power supplies and varying voltages, what type and brand of hardware you are using, which chipset, and which specific processor you are using as well as good cooling systems both for the system as a whole and specifically for the processor. With proper care and research there are intel chips out there that exhibit huge performance boosts from overclocking, and depending on how you implement overclocking in your system, are perfectly stable as well.

Well I can tell you for certain that Intel CPU can overclock extremely well...

I have my P-4 2.6ghz Northwood overclocked to 3.2ghz without any increase in heat and without haveing to Up the Voltage....

The new Intel Dual Cores also are very overclockable especially the newer ones on the 0.65nm manufacturing process, Pluss the new Dual cores have up to 2mb of L2 Cache per Core which was unheard of a few years ago.....

And Unlike Hyperthreading applications do not need to be Optimized for Dual core to see advantages from it, Pluss many of the Dual cores are 64Bit (maybe even all ,I"m not sure)......


Cheers

 

[xstatic]

Minion, I believe you. I was not the one that said that Intel chips were not overclockable

 

[wheelema]

Wheelema, it looks like you need to do a little more research. Antec MAY make a couple of good power supplies, but almost all of them are standard run of the mill pwoer supplys. Top of the class though? Not even close. POwer supplies are extremely important yet underrated parts of a system and directly have effects on hardware longevity and can even affect system speed and stability. Is Antec bad? no. If you want to run a "power" system though, I would definately look elsewhere. The Seasonic above is nice, the upper range Thermaltakes are excellent, and I am currently using a Raidmax Volcano (which is one of their only nicer power supplies.

Now on to dual core.... the statement "nothing exploits it" is absolutely incorrect. I know for certain that the newer versions of Cubase SX are coded to specifically take advantage of dual core technology. I have not paid attention to what other software and hardware items do this as well, but I can guarantee that if Steinberg has already done it (6 months or more ago no less) that many other companies have also done it and many more to come as well. Dual core is an excellent investment in the future as well as in the current. Even things that are not specifically designed to utilize dual core technology most often perform better with the dual core chips.

I am a big AMD fan, but to say that you can not safely overclock Intel chips is once again absolutely false. They may not be as simple to overclock as AMD chips, but are safely overclackable none the less. Like ALL overclocking situations though, it is imperitive to pay attention to details such as power supplies and varying voltages, what type and brand of hardware you are using, which chipset, and which specific processor you are using as well as good cooling systems both for the system as a whole and specifically for the processor. With proper care and research there are intel chips out there that exhibit huge performance boosts from overclocking, and depending on how you implement overclocking in your system, are perfectly stable as well.

Xstatic,

Since I am wide awake at 12:15 in the freaking morning (long day at an amusement park) I don't much mind getting into a pissing contest.

Power supplies are a really subjective topic... short of us both being electrical engineers. I KNOW I'm not, and given your... ahem... literary talents... I suspect that you are not either. Naturally I may be wrong. Nonetheless, given the amount of ignorance on my part I, and the other system builders I know, have no issues with Antec TruePower. Maybe I should have been more specific... Antec does try to address all market segments.

When it comes to purchasing a 'dual core' processsor I don't budge an inch. Pointing out that one, or two, or ten or twelve, applications are coded to exploit dual core processors doesn't make them a good buy. They are bleeding edge and, believe me, you never put a customer into bleeding edge unless they are hot to trot for it and understand that you are washing your hands of any support issues. If he wishes to get a mobo that supports dual core under the rationale that he can upgrade a year down the road when prices are a more reasonable, fine. But for right now I feel strongly that his money should be spent elsewhere and a solid UPS is a great choice.

As far as overclocking Intel chips... well... 'youse' roll the dice and 'youse' take your chances. Intel, absolutely, hates overclockers and has actively worked to defeat them. Maybe times have changed, but I would NEVER suggest a client overclock an Intel chip. Begging for grief.

Luck.

 

[travelin travis]

They are bleeding edge and, believe me, you never put a customer into bleeding edge unless they are hot to trot for it and understand that you are washing your hands of any support issues. If he wishes to get a mobo that supports dual core under the rationale that he can upgrade a year down the road when prices are a more reasonable, fine. But for right now I feel strongly that his money should be spent elsewhere and a solid UPS is a great choice.

i strongly agree with that statement. the newest technology is the wrong way to go for something that requires absolute stability, like a daw pc. not to mention the cost factor of the newest technology. i just don't see the performance gains justifying the cost. it's a huge waste of money that could be used on other gear, imo.

 

[BigRay]

Just get the people from www.sequoiadigital.com to build you one.

 

[xstatic]

Well, feel free to design with your Antec True Power power supplies. I know plenty of system builders who do not recognize the importance of a well constructed solid and reliable power supply. I never said that the Antec power supplies were bad, but they are run of the mill. If you want to fill your tower with hard drives, addon cards, optical drives etc... it is a very good idea to look for one with better specs and better build. You are the one wheelema who said that the Antec's are "top of class". There really is a reason why some of the better power supplies cost more. Most importantly to me they offer a more stable and consistent voltage, even when under differing loads. This is known to driectly affect the longevity and even performance of parts.

Second, YOU may think that Dual Core is beelding edge, but it has been out now for close to a year, and maybe even more. Dual Core is and has been very stable for quite some time and has performance benefits in every aspect of things. Certainly however there are some things which do not fully take advantage of the dual core technology. I agree with that 100%, but the numbers are in.... Dual Core does speed things up. With some programs this performance advantage is pretty drastic. When it directly affects your latency and plugin count, I would say that it is certainly worth consideration.

Like I mentioned earlier, I am an AMD fan. For the last 7 years I have been using AMD processors and am very happy with them. I do find AMD's to be superior in most instances for overclocking, but to say that all intels are unsafe to overclock is just wrong any way you look at it.

I am sorry wheelema if you took my post to be a personal attack, because it certainly was not. You said some things that I consider to be wrong, some of which looked like was based on pretty old technology and trends. I spoke up, but was not looking for a "pissing match". Take it how you want though, that is your perogative as well. You are right however about two things at least. First, I am not an electrical engineer, and second, a good UPS would be a good investment.

In the future, please do not confuse my "literary talents" with my typing abilities. I CHOOSE to not reread my posts with the intent of not fixing spelling and simple gramatical errors. I know that my typing is not great. My brain spits things out much faster than my fingers can translate.

 

[wheelema]

...I know that my typing is not great. My brain spits things out much faster than my fingers can translate.

Took me a long time to fix that too. Apologies.

 

[TragikRemix]

Man. . . . Thats alot of gear. I think i'll stick with my apple commodore

AHH! me too.

but i do second the 10k rpm drives.

also, look into a water cooling setup. just check it out, ive never used one so im not sure how good they are.

 

[TragikRemix]

and also, look at modular power supplies, this way you can eliminate what you dont need, as far as cables. i think they are very cool.

 

[anppilot]

will chk out somethin other than Antec. Ill chk the Sequoia thing.

I've used 7200 rpm drives for years never had a provlem

 

[fuzzrhythm]

looks like you've got a socket AM2 motherboard and DDR2 RAM with a socket 939 chip? you may be dissapointed with that combination of choices

as for dual-core, I'd go for it. don't want to get left behind when software is more geared to take advantage of dual-core processors. at the VERY least, make sure the motherboard supports dual-core.

and do you really need an SLI-capable motherboard? are you also going to use this for gaming, 3D rendering, etc?