Inner Truth - Need to Know

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This is one of the most current osngs from my band. We're recoridng for our full length, and this is the first one I am proud of enough to release to you guys. ANother one will be yup in a few days. Anyways....

Recorded through a Mackie 1604 VLZ.

Drums - Premier Artist Maple, with all Sabian AA/AAX Cymbals.
Each tom was close mic'd with Superlux cheapo's, and the bass drum had the Superlux cheapo on it. 57 on the snare, Telex condensor on the ride, and 2 Oktava 319's as overheads. Guitars are a Line 6 stack miced with a 57 (Les Paul Standrad and an old Ibanez Sv420FM), bass is direct through a Hartke head's preamp. vocals are a 319 through the Mackie.

Recorded into Nuendo, where I mixed fully within the software.



Tell me what you think. I'm gonna remix based off your opnions most likely, so tell me turthfully.

Jake
 
Good song. Enjoyed it...energetic and to the point :)

A couple of things strike me after the second listen :

I don't think that this type of music gains from having that long reverb on it. Especially the intro guitar, the speed and energy of the drummer is not accentuated as much as it could be with the heavy reverb muddying up the rhythm.

Also the vocals need to cut through more in my opinion, maybe not much more volume, but boosting some mid\highs maybe ? The respones to the 'I need to know' chorus; i.e. 'What you...' sounds like it has even less high end than the rest of the vocals, I think this also needs to cut through the mix, even more so than the main vocal.

The drumming is good throughout but loses time slightly in a couple places. Most noticeably in the bass drum beats in the intro.

The vocals in the chorus also have a longish reverb on them, again I would have thought a shorter reverb woud suit this song better.

Listening on headphones, the second verse has another guitar panned to one side, this is a bit loud in my opinion

The 'mosh' bit at the end needs a bit more growl from the guitars and bass.



I am not a recording engineer ( far from it ;) ) and this is all just my opinion from having listened to hardcore music in the past. You may be trying for something different to what I'm used to so maye a pinch of salt is required?


Anyway, I enjoyed it.

pAp.
 
I'll try that. The second verse doesn thave another guitar (unless you mean the end "mosh"part which has an extra guitar). The intro guitar is supposed to be really washy to accentuate the guitars throughout the rest of the song. The drummer does lose time a few times, thats his one thing (and he is just impossible when you try to talk to him about it). I'll fool aorund with the vocal reverbs and stuff. Thanks for the criticism, it is much appreciated!

Jake
 
Which reverb did you use? Nuendoverb? If so try shortening the reverb time and maybe increasing the pre-delay instead if you feel it needs that reverb, but I think the whole mix would benefit if you cut down a bit on the reverb.

The vocals stand out clearly, although the reverb tend to push'em back in the mix. As Papillon already said it lacks a bit of high end, try boosting around 5kHz.

About the drummer, you can easily 'edit' the bass drum in Nuendo:)

I really liked the screaming at the end, kind of reminded me of Black Francis (now Frank Black) most savage moments in the Pixies ;). Good song, I'd love to listen to it again with an overall dryer sound.
 
I think I used Nuendoverb, either that or DSPFX studioverb, I forget. I'll cut down on all the reverbs and repost in a day or two. Thanks guys!

Jake
 
I listened to your song .....


and above they say they are not recording geniuses .. well yall were talking greek to this girl ...lol


so with that in mind ...

there is alot of high and no lows ...

it almost hurts my ears .. although I did make it through the song ..

the music sounds good to me .... I think it just needs a little tweeking??? lol I hope that was the right word

also the vocals sound distorted to me ... and that may be what yall are talking about .. lol

nice work though .. Lana

would like to hear this again once you get it finished !
 
What kind of speakers/headphoens were you listenign on that yo got lots of highs? My monitors show the mix as a little bass heavy, but it sounds better in a car this way, and still is respectable on anythign else I've tried. The vocals are distorted in the part where he says "what you think of me" and "if i'm just a friend" and that whole part.

Jake
 
Song is good, reminds me of a band called "Plankeye". The recording needs some refinement though. The panned left guitar is too loud, and I agree that the guitar in the beginning needs to be a little less "reverbish"

I too am not an expert, Just letting you know what my ears hear.

sondriven
 
I remixed it. Less reverb overall (except the intro guitar, that was really the point, to have it more washy then the rest of the song, going for a contrast, and thats how we do it live too). I boosted the highs on the vocals a bit, eq'ed the guitars a tad, I didn't like the sound of them too much before, and I put a little bit of compression on the overall mix.



jake
 
I cant get anything to stream on this computer, must be the 56k modem. Since I didnt find a download I will just have to agree with, yeah what he said. Sorry
 
Move those opening bass drum hits if you have the software to do it...see if the drummer notices !

I like it, second version definately has more punch.

I get where you're coming from with the opening guitar now, I think it works.

Another possible thing to do would be to give your voice a bit more volume when you are singing the low notes, as they don't cut through as much as the rest and it is difficult to hear the lyrics.

Good though ;)

pAp
 
I actually remixed it again, same reverb levels and all that, just a tad bit of a guitar sound. I listend to the 2nd mix I did in the car and the guitars and bass sounds just kinda irked me, so I fixed em. It's the same link as the 2nd one I gave out - needtoknow1.mp3

Jake
 
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