Included plugins with multitrack software

[SteveMcB]

Hi all.
I'm looking at OSx mac recording software, and having real difficulty finding accurate lists of plugins for some software. Now I know included plugs aren't always the best, but they're what you got to start with.

MOTU and digidesign provide good lists of what's included.

Logic and cubase do not. In particular, I cannot seem to find accurate lists of plugs included with:
Cubase SE - Studio Case
Cubase SL
Cubase SX
Logic Big Box
Logic Express (emagic site has some listed, but according to literature there are 23 plugins, and only 12 or so are on the site).

Anyone know of any sites that actually list the plugs included, or able to fill me in on any of these?
I'm looking at the lower end software, and some plugs might sway me one way or the other, eg I'd love a multiband comp, to do some LIGHT "mastering style" compression after mixdown (no, professional is not an option due to cost).

Thanks,
Steve

 

[dwillis45]

Can't help with a specific list, but here are some generalizations:

Most DAW software programs include basic processing plugins (reverb, compression, EQ) and some limited specialized effects. These plugins are useful as a starting point, but I would guess that most users eventually purchase additional plugins or download free stuff off the net. Most of the quality commercial plugins are relatively expensive--sometimes as much as the DAW software itself. Many users report better quality results compared to standard plugins, but I've never seen any systematic comparisons. And I've often hear people argue that plugins don't match the quality offered in similar hardware units.

In general, most free plugins are limited. (I only use one free plug on a regular basis: Inspector by Elemental Audio.) There are a bunch out there and they are fun to play with. But, in the end, I guess there is no such thing as a free lunch!

As far as Mastering plugins, I wouldn't expect to see these included with software. There are dedicated mastering setups like Ozone or T-Racks and there are some good plugins by Waves, Steinberg, etc. Again, however, expect to pay a premium price for these and don't expect the same level of quality that you find in hardware. And, as always, remember that
mastering is really more about ears, monitors, rooms, and experience. That said, your interest in Cubase may lead you in the direction of Steinberg's Mastering Edition--a set of plugins including a multiband compressor, a loudness maximizer, and Freefilter (a graphic eq).