"In Odin's Name" Musical Concept Album Finally Released!

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Greetings all!

I have been working on this musical for 15 years. Originally wrote it in 2011, I started recording a concept album in 2013. Between 2013 and 2015 I recorded all the instruments and half the characters. Then after 8 years off, finished off the rest of the singers (and re-recorded the drums) between 2023 and 2025. And now, the full 21 song, 97 minute epic is now out and available!

Even though I haven't been the most active on these forums for a good chunk of that time, I definitely was during the early days and then again when I was working on mixing the single last year (my post on that can be found here). Also this album was mastered by old homerecording.com guru Massive Mastering. So thank you to him and everyone else that has helped me on these forums for all these years.

Here it is, a humanistic retelling of several Norse myths and sagas. Music is like a mix of 70s prog and proto-metal with orchestral bits. I'll Post links to all the usual places you can stream it, and post a trailer that features the amazing artwork my artist also put into this.



 
I'll have to check it out later. Too busy at the moment to do an extender listen!
 
I've been listening. Stages, musicals and dancers is what I do - actually now, I manage them.

The over-riding impression I get is that it's Andrew Lloyd-Webber's Jesus Christ Superstar in so many ways. Finding a choreographer and dancers competent to dance it will be tricky. The constant time sig changes and angry pieces set in 5/4 make their job difficult because of the constant wrong footedness. The Viking theme suggests power, and 5/4 suggests stumbles. It's also damn hard to play. Even writing out that drum part will be a challenge.

I spotted a few things I'd have changed? The snare at the start has a pretty string ring to it, so doesn't sound that 'military' and the piano tone is a bit strange for my taste.

That intro with the guitar is very JCS - 70's prog rock dragged into musical theatre. Turning the Tide has some nasty guitar fret noise. In that song the vocal tuning is quite shaky in places. The song also has a few 'rules of harmony' issues, that while perhaps appropriate, catch the ear.

In Velvet moon a lead break suddenly swamps the vocal.

It's great you got the project finished - it's a lot better than my first musical attempt for certain. It's just lacking a bit of polish that might attract people to staging it? Some of those numbers are seriously hard to perform.

All I do know is that many performers might shy away as it's just very hard to learn, and as a musical theatre product, it will be difficult to find a home for it. The college market for performing arts musicals to work on is pretty solid now - a good way to get exposure, but looking back to when I was in education, finding a band and singers would be tricky. The snag mainly is that the days of actors singing while the ensemble dances is gone - everyone needs to move, and I would struggle at audition with this one - the pool is big, but you need strong, low singers who can dance - at least in the bits where it's going to happen.

I think we wondered about the subject material when you first floated it, but you have done a pretty good job on the writing, although the dialogue/lyrics are a bit over Nordic in some places maybe? The only thing I really struggled with were the crazy number of time sig and tempo changes throughout. Makes it hard for audiences to get the groove, because there often isn't one. It guarantees the band will be staring at the dots throughout and that is tiring, and makes putting in deps extremely difficult. Imagine the lead guitarist getting suddenly ill - finding a dep would be so hard at no notice with only the dots to play to? producers take all these things into account. Lloyd Webber softened his approach after JSC. Some musicals are just pigs to play. Others are hard to dance. A few have very tricky lyrics and timing - yours has all of these. It is very impressive - an excellent piece of work, but my thought is just how on earth you would stage it?
 
Thank you for your comments!

So yeah, this is an example of something that took so long to complete, that I'm in a very different place now than I was when I wrote it. I composed it in 2011, at age 24, in a "lost" period of my life (recently graduated from college, living at home with parents, working part-time for minimum wage, economy still reeling from the 2008 financial meltdown, in a band that wasn't going anywhere). And you are absolutely correct....this was VERY JCS coded. I was kind of obsessed with the 1970 concept album at this time, and it was a major influence. Started recording the concept album in 2013, and the plan was to release it in 2015, but life got in the way....yadayada.

More importantly, I started playing in pits in 2018, and I think I've told you before, I have learned *a lot* just from playing in pits. I've done 20 musicals now or so? (currently in a run of Lightning Thief) and there are definitely tweaks I would make to the score if I was to stage it today.

Anyway, I'll try and comment on your points directly to clear some things up.

Finding a choreographer and dancers competent to dance it will be tricky. The constant time sig changes and angry pieces set in 5/4 make their job difficult because of the constant wrong footedness.

I should mention that I kind of wrote this as an "Anti-Broadway" show...I'm not sure what better phrase to use. I wanted to deliberately avoid Broadway/West-End tropes as much as possible, and invoke them in deliberate situations. One of those things being dance numbers....I wanted to avoid dancing as much as possible, my vision was having the 'acting' be straight even though they're singing. The only section in the script that has choreography is song 6, Dance of Swords, for the sword fight - my co-writer wrote in the script that the fight should be somehow timed to the music.

But yeah, the proliferation of 5/4 and 7/8 is very much me going "hey, JCS used this, I will too!"

I spotted a few things I'd have changed? The snare at the start has a pretty string ring to it, so doesn't sound that 'military' and the piano tone is a bit strange for my taste.

The field snare I tweaked a bit from the original sound. I listened to recordings of field snares, the problem is mine is a smaller diameter so I had to use some EQ to try and match it to the recordings of larger drums. I considered re-recording it (the field snare was recorded back in 2014) but not sure how much better I could get it today, not to mention I have it tuned much higher now than back then (and the lower sound is what you want). No comment on the piano, it was a grand recorded in a pro-studio, I used numerous reference recordings to get some EQ sculpting, but imo it sounds good to me. (the pianist on the other hand was a sub-par player, but I won't get into that at this time)

Turning the Tide has some nasty guitar fret noise. In that song the vocal tuning is quite shaky in places. The song also has a few 'rules of harmony' issues, that while perhaps appropriate, catch the ear.

Hahaha yes the fret noise does bother me too, but there's really not much I could have done about it - another part recorded back in 2013. At least I didn't compress the guitar on this track. Everybody was run through Melodyne, so not sure where the vocal tuning would have been shaky, but I also never tune to 100%, so who knows?

In Velvet moon a lead break suddenly swamps the vocal.

This happened a couple of times throughout the whole thing, but it was an issue that cropped up during mastering. I went through Massive Mastering, and while overall I'm happy with his work, one of the weird quirks of what he did is that the vocal levels overall got squished down a bit....in the unmastered version, the vocals are louder relative to the music in general. I considered going back and tweaking all the mixes, but the problem is that the computer I mix on is nearly 20 years old and I can only render mixes at half speed, plus my studio is at my parents so its not like something I can just do on a whim. It would have taken me a week or two at least to remix all the vocals, but I was also experiencing burnout after spending like 4-5 months straight mixing. Plus, you know....a 15 year project, I was just ready for it to be done. Endless tweaking rarely does anything any good. You are correct, but it wasn't a big enough problem to me at the time.

I think we wondered about the subject material when you first floated it, but you have done a pretty good job on the writing, although the dialogue/lyrics are a bit over Nordic in some places maybe?

Okay, I kinda hesitate to talk about this in a public space online (I've only told people about this in-person) but I agree with you. My co-writer/lyricist's original lyrics were a bit dense. Note that he is not a native English speaker, he's a French author/poet who also does French/English translations for a living. There were a few Yoda-isms where grammar was flipped, there were word choices that were archaic, and there were some "visual rhymes" where he established a rhyming pattern, but randomly there would be two lines that wouldn't rhyme, but you look at the words they'd appear to rhyme to someone who might not be familiar with the language (for example, "Watch" and "Catch"). What got recorded on the album was actually edits that I largely made to get the lyrics to flow better and to be more hip. Also, I gave the singers freedom to make choices as well, and I remember one singer in particular (Gullveig/Heith) who kept making changes because she kept getting frustrated at the word salad of the original lyrics. Now I'm not throwing Alex under the bus completely....he's a much better lyricist than I (I am not good at lyrics at all), but I think with how young I was at the time, I should have pushed back a bit more in making the lyrics sound more contemporary, which was the whole goal of the project anyway. Regardless, over the years I spent tweaking lines and word choices here and there.

As you said, there still are eccentricities, but I also wanted to preserve his words as much as I could since he did write the story and did all the time on research (once I did float the thought of bringing on another lyricist to do a rework, but that would be too far and too mean and I could never actually do that). I ran the numbers, and 90% of the lyrics are his originals, the 10% my changes or changes done by the singers.

Anyway, my city has a local festival of new theater every April. It was too late to get involved this year, but I am eyeing for next year, a lot of people have been suggesting I bring this to that festival, so I think that's the start. And of course, I would do the appropriate tweaks that I've been wanting to do as well, which should smooth out at least some of the problems you point out.
 
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