Imac 21.5 and logic 9

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Is the imac 21.5 computer good enough to do quality music recording? Is it powerful enough to run Logic 9?
Below are the specs:

3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor
4GB (expandable up to 16GB)
500GB hard drive
8x double-layer SuperDrive
four onboard USB ports
one FireWire 800 port
 
It should be plenty capable.

the set up im getting is very similar.

Im going to be getting a 21.5 inch iMac 4gb and im ordering an 8gb kit from macsales.com and installing it myself.

so i'll have 12gb of RAM for 1470 whereas if you order an 8gb 21.5 iMac it costs 1400.

just make sure the firewire/usb ports can support the interface you're planning on getting.

I'm getting the presonus firestudio 2626 so i should be good to go.
 
It should be plenty capable.

the set up im getting is very similar.

Im going to be getting a 21.5 inch iMac 4gb and im ordering an 8gb kit from macsales.com and installing it myself.

so i'll have 12gb of RAM for 1470 whereas if you order an 8gb 21.5 iMac it costs 1400.

just make sure the firewire/usb ports can support the interface you're planning on getting.

I'm getting the presonus firestudio 2626 so i should be good to go.


Yeah that is the last link to the chain that I have to make sure is solid. I was thinking about going with the M-audio pro fire 610. I checked out the Presonus firestudio 2626. That looks pretty cool for recording a band...but really too much for me as I plan on only recording one track at a time.

Anyone else out there recording on the imac 21.5 who can vouch that this set up is good enough?
 
Yeah that is the last link to the chain that I have to make sure is solid. I was thinking about going with the M-audio pro fire 610. I checked out the Presonus firestudio 2626. That looks pretty cool for recording a band...but really too much for me as I plan on only recording one track at a time.

Anyone else out there recording on the imac 21.5 who can vouch that this set up is good enough?

aside from being capable of running the software and plugins you want, the type of computer and the specs of the computer have little to no affect on the quality of audio you'll capture with it.
 
I have a mbp and the imac as well.

I think their are some draw backs with both. Peformance wise they
are fine, but your limited to one internal hard drive and one 800
firewire port. You can use the 800fw port for a external hard drive
but I would not plan on putting a 400fw device in the chain with it.
So I guess you would need a really good usb interface if you want
to avoid problems.

I think everyone going the mac route will end up with a mac pro,
I know that's my next computer. I hate paying twice as much for
hardware but I guess you have no option.

So I guess I'm saying save your imac money and just get a
mac pro. Lots of expansion, lots of 800fw, lots of money ;(
 
I have a mbp and the imac as well.

I think their are some draw backs with both. Peformance wise they
are fine, but your limited to one internal hard drive and one 800
firewire port. You can use the 800fw port for a external hard drive
but I would not plan on putting a 400fw device in the chain with it.
So I guess you would need a really good usb interface if you want
to avoid problems.

I think everyone going the mac route will end up with a mac pro,
I know that's my next computer. I hate paying twice as much for
hardware but I guess you have no option.

So I guess I'm saying save your imac money and just get a
mac pro. Lots of expansion, lots of 800fw, lots of money ;(

Strongly disagree. whats your justification for needing more than 1 firewire port for his interface?

its hard to tell someone to spend an extra 2 grand for another firewire port that we're not even sure if he needs... i know i wont need more than 1.

edit - you dont need firewire for an external hard drive.. usb works just fine...
 
I guess my justification would be you can not track to
external usb drive fast enough to record a good track
count. You will get errors telling you the disk is to
slow to write to. I have a Glymph 800fw that will give
pretty good throughput as long as my ensemble or duet
is not connected. At that time everything is 400 and is
just to slow for tracking a decent number of tracks at
once.

I guess if I listened to my own advice I could have payed
for one mac pro by now instead of two lesser macs.
I really like the ones I have but they are now adequate for
large track counts end of story.

I set up a gigabit network and record to a FAT32 drive
shared from a Dell XPS system at the moment. Then I
can hookup my sound interfaces to fire wire. Daisy chain-
ing FW devices has to many drawbacks with my imac
especially with anything more than an ensemble connected.
Perhaps you mileage may very. But don't count on it. If your
doing a track or two at a time I suppose you could just write
to the primary hard drive.
 
I was planning on connecting a 500 gig external hard drive via USB and saving the firewire 800 port for an audio interface. Speaking of which...I will only be recording one track at a time, but I have a nice mic pre with a quality DAC on it...so I'd like to take the mic pre signal out of the DAC and into s/pdif in on the audio interface. I will also want to use MIDI. Can anyone suggest a solid firewire audio interface that will suit an imac 21.5 and has both midi and s/pdif? I wanted to go with Apogee so it would actually work...but the Apogee duet does not appear to have s/pdif nor does it appear to have MIDI. I was checking out three others that seem to have what I need but I'm not sure if they have solid drivers for OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard. Below are the audio interfaces I'm thinking about: Is anyone using these audio interfaces with a Mac?


M-audio profire 610
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProFire610/

Roland FA 66
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FA66/

TC Electronic Impact Twin
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ImpactTwin/
 
Why don't you call sweet water and tell them you want a imac and logic
I bet a quarter they will suggest a RME UC400 to go with it.
Why? because it is USB!

While I'm sure just about any computer would record a track at a time.
You have to think down the road a mile or two.









I was planning on connecting a 500 gig external hard drive via USB and saving the firewire 800 port for an audio interface. Speaking of which...I will only be recording one track at a time, but I have a nice mic pre with a quality DAC on it...so I'd like to take the mic pre signal out of the DAC and into s/pdif in on the audio interface. I will also want to use MIDI. Can anyone suggest a solid firewire audio interface that will suit an imac 21.5 and has both midi and s/pdif? I wanted to go with Apogee so it would actually work...but the Apogee duet does not appear to have s/pdif nor does it appear to have MIDI. I was checking out three others that seem to have what I need but I'm not sure if they have solid drivers for OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard. Below are the audio interfaces I'm thinking about: Is anyone using these audio interfaces with a Mac?


M-audio profire 610
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProFire610/

Roland FA 66
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FA66/

TC Electronic Impact Twin
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ImpactTwin/
 
Why don't you call sweet water and tell them you want a imac and logic
I bet a quarter they will suggest a RME UC400 to go with it.
Why? because it is USB!

While I'm sure just about any computer would record a track at a time.
You have to think down the road a mile or two.


When I was looking at PC's I checked out RME. Very nice equipment but very expensive...like a grand more than what I'm looking at. RME has the latest technology for zero latency with USB 2 but firewire is just as fast...and way less expensive.

With an external drive runing at 7200 RPM's via USB do you really think it will be too slow to put effects or samples on individual tracks?
 
I *strongly* recommend hooking up hard drives via FireWire. USB doesn't support DMA, which means the CPU gets spanked pretty hard if you use USB hard drives.

There's nothing wrong with daisy-chaining FireWire devices. It's almost always preferable to use FireWire instead of USB for your hard drives unless you only have a single FW400 port, and usually even then....
 
quick question - i have a new 21.5" iMac and was considering getting the apogee duet as my audio interface. The imac only has one firewire port, so does this mean that i won't be able to use the duet and an external firewire drive? i guess the question i am asking is: do both of these devices (duet & firewire drive) have to be connected at the same time throughout the recording process?? thanks
 
The Apogee Duet is only 2in 2out. It should be fine running on the same Firewire port as the external drive you're recording to, even at 24 Bit 96 KHz. If you 'd be recording 8+ channels, it would be an entirely different story.
 
The Apogee Duet is only 2in 2out. It should be fine running on the same Firewire port as the external drive you're recording to, even at 24 Bit 96 KHz. If you 'd be recording 8+ channels, it would be an entirely different story.

Don't know why you think that would be a different story.

Because of the way isoch works, with ideal interfaces, FireWire 400 should be able to reliably handle 377 channels of 44.1 kHz audio, which can be any combination of inputs and outputs. Realistically, audio interfaces tend to request a bigger time slice than they need, so you may end up maxing out the bus with as few as a hundred total channels, IIRC. (Yes, I've hit that wall experimentally just for fun.) Even still, that's a really big number.

Now a FireWire 800 port has four times the bandwidth (full duplex 800 Mbps down, 800 Mbps up instead of half duplex 400 Mbps shared between upsteam and downstream). So think about sending somewhere between 200 and 700 channels of audio in each direction at the same time. Now ask yourself who in their right minds would do such a thing. :D

In theory, it might be possible to run out of FireWire 800 bandwidth when doing audio. In practice, you'll hit a disk speed bottleneck long before you get there, not to mention a CPU bottleneck handling the channel mixing, a RAM bottleneck holding your buffers, etc.

In other words, yes, you can safely daisy chain the devices. I suggest putting the FW800 device first if possible so that your hard drive doesn't end up being forced down to FW400 speeds. Either way, it should be fine.
 
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