I'm being dense again...

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This board's opinion concludes with the C1 and v67 as the economy front runners for vocal/amp mics.
I asked earlier about AT4033 and Oktava 319 but didn't get any solid comparisons to the majority leaders.
Are the C1 and v67 the only favorites among large diaphragm condensors?
There's a lot of mics out there in the $200-$500 range. What are some of the favored "underdogs"?
 
As I stated in another thread, I just like darker sounding mics for the most part on vocals. I like the 319. Still has good top end but it's not hyped.
AT4033 is a great utility mic. Not my first choice on vocals but it does a decent job there. Sounds great on the outside of a kick, as overheads/room mics, out in front of a guitar amp. It'll take a shit load of SPL before it'll fold over. If I had it to do over again I'd buy 'em both again.
As far as the other mics you mentioned, I have no experience with those particular mics.
 
The AT4033 is an unquestionable value.... a very good mic - hardly considered "an underdog" though.

Bruce
 
Ed swears by his 4033...myself, I prefer the v67......

in that range many people will tell you they love their:
AKG C3000B
Rode NTK
Rode NT1000

in the end, in a home studio situation, its a matter of finding the mic that fits your voice and/or other mic needs....it may be a sm57.....

the reason the v67 and the C1 are hyped so much is the bang for the buck issue (price/performance ratio)....sure you can get a better mic for $500, but is the tad bit better sound worth $300?.....thats a question only you can answer......

disclaimer:the opinions stated in this post reflect the opinions of Gidge and may not necessarily be the opinions of others......
 
The Oktava gets the big thumbs down on QA/QC.

Wait 'til the Studio Projects "B" series comes out... things will continue to be shaken up.

Queue
 
I'm happy with my AT 4033 but if I was still in the market for a LD I would spend a couple hundred more and buy the AT 4047. It's considered warmer sounding than the others in the AT 4000 series.

The ADK 51 is also considered a good mic in the $200 area.

Shure KSM44, AKG 4000, Neumann TLM103, Rode NTK, BLUE Dragonfly, AKG Solidtube, AT 4060. My next mic would be one of those. I don't buy into the "cult of the cheap mic" yet. Flame on.
 
If Neumann took the TLM103, or for that fact AKG or any other top brand and had it made in China to their specs like I do my microphones and sold it for $399.99, would this group question those mics? I think everyone would line up for it, after all...its a Neumann.

The 103 is not a better mic than the C1 or the V67. Sure some people will like the 103 better, and others will prefer the sound of the C1, and others yet the V67. Its that way with all mics $500.00 and under. The only difference is Neumann and others has more labor costs involved to build the 103, so they charge more.

Their parts cost is no different on the 103 or the C1. It is the Neumann name that most people want, yet the specs and build quality of the C1 are equally as good, just as it would be if Neumann built in China. They would see to that as I do.

The statement of "cult of the cheap mic" does not wash until you get into the $99.00 stuff (no disrespect to wide awake). I will change all of that when the B Series comes out in January, and you will buy it for $79.99.

Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
 
I've got the 4033 and V67...I reach for the 4033 first on the vocalist Im working with it sounds much better {more open}.I end up useing the V67{darker} on acustic guitar, for me it works as a change of pace to a SM81{briter} ..



Don
 
Well, by underdog I meant those that aren't being hyped constantly.
My voice isn't my most rewarding musical asset, but I don't feel like the SM58 is as clear and accurate as I'd like it to be. On aggressive vocals mixed with loud, busy music it's fine. If I cut to an acapella piece where a breath or low volume speech is the desired nuance, I want something more sensitive.
When you guys refer to a "darker" sounding mic, what exactly do you mean? Heavier or warmer like a tube mic or pre?

I haven't been able to demo a 4033 but thought I'd add one if were considered a reasonably clean vocal mic.
 
Hey grip, what is your primary instrument? Isnt it a Cello or someting similar? Forgive me if I'm way off, but I seem to rem something to that effect.
Let me know, oddly enough, I have interest in the Cello, or more precise, in learning to play one.
 
I can't even spell chello! :D

In order of accomplishment:
Rubberband Coffeecan
Kazoo
Spoons
Drums
Les Paul
Strat
Vocals
Steamboat Whistle
Moog Synthesiser

Naw, what I meant was I'm not afraid of my voice. Give it to me
clear and uncolored with an accurate mic.

:cool:
 
Can you teach me spoons or is that a joke? I've tried that spoon thing, and without knowing the technique, its a bitch.
I can play kazoo already, the easiest of all instruments. Play your favorite melody the 1st time you ever play. Pretty cool ;)
I was giving skinflute and fleshy piccolo lessons for awhile, but the pay was crappy.
 
There's a dude named Artis in Seattle who is pretty good on spoons. Can't find his website anymore...

Queue
 
I think I'm being made sport of again, but here's da drill...
If you're right-handed, it's just like playing drums: You hold your spoons bowl to bowl with your finger between them at the at the shoulder (approx .75" below the neck adjacent to the flute). Your thumb is positioned directly over the top of your pointing finger's first nuckle. Now, this is a loose but positive grasp. Crash sounds are made by striking the lower spoon bowl's edge against the playing surface, while more acoustic sounds are from striking the full circumfrence of the bowl flatly.
The playing posture as I said, is much like playing drums in that your right hand is playing the "ride" of the beat while your left hand is filling the back beat.
Tonal quality of fills are accomplished by a combination of pressure changes and playing surface.

I tell all my spoon students to practice at least three hours a day. Don't expect to sound like Max Onieda in the first year. And remember to wear full facial protection while practicing...a loose spoon can cause severe injury!

Do you have what it takes to be the next Spoon God of Rock? :D
 
I got this from a magazine describing the AT 4033 and I sort of agree with it, "it has a big open sound with smooth lows, slightly attenuated mids, bright and very present highs, and excellent transient response". So what they are saying is that like a lot of LD mikes, the highs and lows are slighty hyped and the mids are de-emphasised, giving you a flattering sound.

I don't know if any large diaphram condensers are really "accurate and uncolored". At least not like a ribbon mic. Maybe someone more knowledgable than myself can explain that.
 
I have a 4033 that I never use anymore. I bought a Rode NTK and an NT1000. They're better mics in just about every respect. About the only place where the 4033 is better is that it weighs a pound less. My 4033 has spent the last 6 months on a shelf in my studio. I prefer the tube sound of the NTK on 90% of male vocals. I think the NT1000 sounds better for some reason on female vocals. I'm also looking to get another one so I can use the NT1000s for drum overheads...

I couldn't tell you why the NT1000 and NTK get little to no hype on this board, but I don't really mind having uncool mics that most people don't have. I've considered a C1, but since it's impossible to try them out in the SF bay area, I'm still stuck (happily) with my uncool choice.
 
Charger,

Call up Ron Timmons at Audio Images in San Francisco. I am sure he would work something out for you to try the C1, unless of course if he is out of stock :D

Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
 
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