Ibanez S470 Tuning

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Hey.
I just bought an Ibanez S470 (a serious upgrade from the crap i was playing on) and have a question about its tuning.
It seems that when I attempt to tune all the strings down a 1/2 step or even more, it slowly over time, returns to standard tuning. Its real weird. I was wondering if these Ibanez Lo-TRS trems. have to be configured to the tuning you want? or something....any help you could give me would be great. Thanks.
 
Hey Slipknot451,
I have an Ibanez S-540 and I think the bridges are fairly similar, so I'll tell you what I know. Since you have a floating tremolo, the tension of the springs in the body cavity (underneath that plate on the back of the guitar) force the bridge to return to the tuning it was set up for (standard e to e in this case). What you have to do to tune down is unlock your nut, take off the back plate, and loosen the springs a bit and then try to tune to what you want (1/2 step down or whatever). If it is still sharp, loosen the springs a bit more and retune. When they are right, you should stay in tune and the bridge should be parallel to the body like it is in standard tuning. This will be easier with a good electronic tuner. *Warning*, this can be a very time consuming and frustratingprocess! Also, you will have to do something similar if you try to do a dropped-d tuning, as detuning the bottom string will cause all the others to go sharp. Good luck and fire away with anymore questions!
 
Great. Thanks a lot for your help. It was really bothering me every damn time I tried to tune down, it would slowly return to its set tuning. You said attempting to fix this would be a frustrating process. Would you recommend I just have someone do this for me? Can they change the setup so its set to a specific tuning other than e to e? Thanks.
 
Hold on there...before you go and have someone mess with your guitar, there are a couple of things you might want to try first...Are the strings on your guitar worn in yet? have you tried a different gauge of string(I would recommend trying this first because the Ibanez guitars come w/9's and 10's are what I would recommend for a drop tuning) and unless you absolutely know for sure how good the tech working on your guitar is the lo-trs system is very delicate and can be very hard to adjust...the action on these guitars is also very low(that might be one of the reasons you bought it) and the spring tension effects how the action sets as well you could end up with much higher action or... frets buzzing, etc because the trem is sitting too low in the cavity bottom line is ...if you plan to do a lot of experimenting with alternate tunings and drop tunings, etc... learn how to do it yourself through trial and error it saves time, it saves $, and best of all, you can pretty much set-up anything else on the market. If you know that flat is the way you want to tune, take it to an experienced tech who has worked with ibanez on a frequent basis...By the way, I am the proud owner of 11 Ibanez guitars to include the s470, the s540, the rg-520,570, and so on I know about the ibanez Iswear by them Good Luck!
 
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I just bought an Ibanez s470. I love the guitar but am having issues tuning it into standard tune. I tune it and within a few seconds it goes right back to drop d tuning. acually D# on the low e string. The guitars holds its tune in drop D# very well but I would like to play it in standard tune and it refuses to go there, it has a mind of its own and I have not come across this with any other guitar that I have owned. Does anyone know how to fix this????
 
I just bought an Ibanez s470. I love the guitar but am having issues tuning it into standard tune. I tune it and within a few seconds it goes right back to drop d tuning. acually D# on the low e string. The guitars holds its tune in drop D# very well but I would like to play it in standard tune and it refuses to go there, it has a mind of its own and I have not come across this with any other guitar that I have owned. Does anyone know how to fix this????

sounds like you may have to bring in the Guitar Exorcist:)
sorry I couldn't resist
 
I just bought an Ibanez s470. I love the guitar but am having issues tuning it into standard tune. I tune it and within a few seconds it goes right back to drop d tuning. acually D# on the low e string. The guitars holds its tune in drop D# very well but I would like to play it in standard tune and it refuses to go there, it has a mind of its own and I have not come across this with any other guitar that I have owned. Does anyone know how to fix this????

Is this your first guitar with a Floyd Rose bridge?

Remember that a Floyd is a VERY different beast than a normal guitar bridge. It's held in place by three points - the knife edges, resting against the trem studs; the tension from the strings on the front of the neck pulling it one way; and finally the tension from the trem springs in the trem cavity pulling it the other. Since the bridge is free to move up and down, it'll automatically "level" itself to the point where the string tension exactly equals the spring tension.

When you change the tuning of one string, however, you change the total string tension. This means that the string and spring tension will no longer balance, and the bridge will shift - it'll rise out of the cavity as you tune a string sharp, and fall in as you tune it flat. Say it's going sharp - not only does this increase the spring tension, it also decreases the string tension on all the other strings you're NOT currently tuning.

Basically, it's a balancing act. Changing the tuning on one string changes both 1.) the tuning of every other string and 2.) the bridge angle. It takes a while to get it right, though the good news is with experience it gets a lot easier.

If this is your first time, sit down with a good tuner and expect it to take an hour or two before the bridge is both parallel with the body (which you want) and the strings are in tune. Then, whenever you restring, do it one string at a time. It'll save you a LOT of time. :)
 
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