fprod south
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You nailed it. I've listened to all 4 thoroughly because this is a great tune. You're done! This rocks!
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mbuster
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Shred, I listened to your song last night, but decided not to comment on it until I read these posts of yours. I'm not normally one to give negative feedback, but I think your attitude demands it. When I listened to "Profound", I thought to myself, this sounds like somebody doing a bad imitation of some cheesy 80's hair band. Your "hook" is laughable. To use a word like "profound" Unless the buisness takes some crazy turn your style of music will never be "commercialy successful", as you put it. Neither will mine but I have no illusions. Listen to some of the guys around here. A lot have no mass market appeal at all, but I would rather listen to their stuff because it was crafted by someone with a deep feeling for their music. I'm sure that's what you do as well, but I just have to make sure you have a realistic picture of yourself and your sound If you have goals of "commercial success". Although that lead was pretty awesome.shredfit said:
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sjcrts
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I'll be listening to your final mix as soon as I get home from work!
As far as the Helmet reference.....I hear what you mean although I'd buy this before I payed for another disapointing Helmet cd.
This tune IS good.
Jake could you elaberate a bit on the equipment you use to record? No need to write a book if it's a lot of stuff, just gimme a taste
I'm also curious if poeple are using digital recorders and how they may use their pc's and software to enhance the overall sound of a mix after importing the music from the external recorder. Kind of a "what do you import your tunes with" and "what do you do with them once they are on a pc other than burn a cd" question.
Maybe that's a whole new thread but you seem to have quite a bit of experience and would like to hear your thoughts.
Teach me Jake
Your audience is listening
~scott
As far as the Helmet reference.....I hear what you mean although I'd buy this before I payed for another disapointing Helmet cd.
This tune IS good.Jake could you elaberate a bit on the equipment you use to record? No need to write a book if it's a lot of stuff, just gimme a taste
I'm also curious if poeple are using digital recorders and how they may use their pc's and software to enhance the overall sound of a mix after importing the music from the external recorder. Kind of a "what do you import your tunes with" and "what do you do with them once they are on a pc other than burn a cd" question.
Maybe that's a whole new thread but you seem to have quite a bit of experience and would like to hear your thoughts.
Teach me Jake
Your audience is listening
~scott
jake-owa
Banned
Well I don't have time right now to list the recording process I use as I am on my way to work but I will get back to ya on that sjcrts, thanks for the interest.
Shredfit, your motives here are fairly transparent. I did not mean to make an enemy here (that's for the cave) but I do not hate the idea of a hook, I just don't write music for commercial success so I couldn't care less about a hook. If you think your "hook" is going to get your music radio play then fine, hook out man. I still would not listen to that crap which is why I am here.
Thanks for the ideas guys, that's a wrap!
Shredfit, your motives here are fairly transparent. I did not mean to make an enemy here (that's for the cave) but I do not hate the idea of a hook, I just don't write music for commercial success so I couldn't care less about a hook. If you think your "hook" is going to get your music radio play then fine, hook out man. I still would not listen to that crap which is why I am here.
Thanks for the ideas guys, that's a wrap!
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mcmd
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jake-owa,
...didn't hear the prevoius mix ..
...tight wall-of-sound and a great pumping bass
...I be looking out for you setup!
Dara
...didn't hear the prevoius mix ..
...tight wall-of-sound and a great pumping bass
...I be looking out for you setup!
Dara
chrisharris
King of Bling
Needs more fuckin' Paintstick.
jake-owa
Banned
Chris you crack my ass in half. You funny queer!
Ok lets do this one instrument at a time.
Drums: I use a Yamaha MU-50 for the skin sounds, I trigger that with a Roland SPD6. That is a pretty cool little module for budget electronic drums. It takes two pedals for kick and hat so I can get more of a real drum feel than tapping a keyboard. My only complaint is the lack of playing dynamics on the pedals, they are jsut momentary triggers. I use real cymbals so the hat, crashes and ride are all real metal. I HATE the sound of module cymbals. I record drums pretty dry and use no compression. To mic the cymbals I usually have a single mic overhead. I spent a lot of time finding the best balanced spot.This song however had all the cymbals (except hat) added after the fact so I miced them individually and panned the crash and trashy splash slightly.
Bass: I record my Peavy Paladium Jeff Berlin model (like I know who that is) throuhg a little Vox T25 amp. I mic that with a Samson S10 about 14 inches away. The main thing I have learned about recording bass is to give the cab space to develop the soundwave in the room. I have been known to record bass at distances that do not seem right but it usually sounds pretty good.
Guitar: I recently bought (I can hear the guitar and bas forum guys groaning..."not again") a Trademark 10 amp by Tech 21. I have to say, I love this thing so much that I gave my Pod to my dad. I usually record direct out the stock XLR out which sounds killer BTW. If I need a bit more ralism it sounds awesome close miced as well but the direct out does me right most of the time.
Vocals: Cheeit....I dunno, this one was recorded with an ADK A51 with a bit of verb, which I buss to a seperate track, from my Lexicom MPX1, I think it was a bright room that I took a bit of time off. I run it through my mixers compression which is decent enough. I don't have any good pres so I am using my mixer for everything. I usually double my vox and put one back and slightly left, maybe 20% and the better one front and less panned, say 10% right. Although this one sounded best balanced and about 30-30.
So that's the instruments. On to signal chain: Like I said I use my mixers pres. The mixer I am stuck with for now is a Roland VM3100. I run out the SPDIF and analog outs to my sound card which is an Echo Mia and to Vegas. I guess that's pretty much it.
This song started as a fun late night jam with an old pal visiting from the mainland. I was on bass and he was slapping the pads which I call drums. I didn't think much of the jam until I got a couple guitars on it. I did the vocals by jsut listening to the vibe of the song and stretching my verbal trickery to it's limits.
I feel so clever when the lyrics come out as good as this one did. I try to write in a way that anyone can impose their own mind on the song but I usually leave an inside message that only I can really understand in the song. I guess I want something in there so that people don't get bored of listening to me sing, like you could figure it out in some inebriated state and forget it in a second or two....."nah he couldn't be talking about that".
Everything has a side in plain veiw and a side hidden from sight.
As you can see the recording is fairly simple and I don't have any real secrets besides careful listening and trial and error.
Ok, class is dismissed for now and if anyone has any questions I'll check in from time to time while I'm playing with my new AT 3035 mic.
Thanks for the interest, I feel famous.
Jake
Ok lets do this one instrument at a time.
Drums: I use a Yamaha MU-50 for the skin sounds, I trigger that with a Roland SPD6. That is a pretty cool little module for budget electronic drums. It takes two pedals for kick and hat so I can get more of a real drum feel than tapping a keyboard. My only complaint is the lack of playing dynamics on the pedals, they are jsut momentary triggers. I use real cymbals so the hat, crashes and ride are all real metal. I HATE the sound of module cymbals. I record drums pretty dry and use no compression. To mic the cymbals I usually have a single mic overhead. I spent a lot of time finding the best balanced spot.This song however had all the cymbals (except hat) added after the fact so I miced them individually and panned the crash and trashy splash slightly.
Bass: I record my Peavy Paladium Jeff Berlin model (like I know who that is) throuhg a little Vox T25 amp. I mic that with a Samson S10 about 14 inches away. The main thing I have learned about recording bass is to give the cab space to develop the soundwave in the room. I have been known to record bass at distances that do not seem right but it usually sounds pretty good.
Guitar: I recently bought (I can hear the guitar and bas forum guys groaning..."not again") a Trademark 10 amp by Tech 21. I have to say, I love this thing so much that I gave my Pod to my dad. I usually record direct out the stock XLR out which sounds killer BTW. If I need a bit more ralism it sounds awesome close miced as well but the direct out does me right most of the time.
Vocals: Cheeit....I dunno, this one was recorded with an ADK A51 with a bit of verb, which I buss to a seperate track, from my Lexicom MPX1, I think it was a bright room that I took a bit of time off. I run it through my mixers compression which is decent enough. I don't have any good pres so I am using my mixer for everything. I usually double my vox and put one back and slightly left, maybe 20% and the better one front and less panned, say 10% right. Although this one sounded best balanced and about 30-30.
So that's the instruments. On to signal chain: Like I said I use my mixers pres. The mixer I am stuck with for now is a Roland VM3100. I run out the SPDIF and analog outs to my sound card which is an Echo Mia and to Vegas. I guess that's pretty much it.
This song started as a fun late night jam with an old pal visiting from the mainland. I was on bass and he was slapping the pads which I call drums. I didn't think much of the jam until I got a couple guitars on it. I did the vocals by jsut listening to the vibe of the song and stretching my verbal trickery to it's limits.
I feel so clever when the lyrics come out as good as this one did. I try to write in a way that anyone can impose their own mind on the song but I usually leave an inside message that only I can really understand in the song. I guess I want something in there so that people don't get bored of listening to me sing, like you could figure it out in some inebriated state and forget it in a second or two....."nah he couldn't be talking about that".
Everything has a side in plain veiw and a side hidden from sight.
As you can see the recording is fairly simple and I don't have any real secrets besides careful listening and trial and error.
Ok, class is dismissed for now and if anyone has any questions I'll check in from time to time while I'm playing with my new AT 3035 mic.
Thanks for the interest, I feel famous.
Jake
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sjcrts
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I apreciate your response! I gotta give this a better read a bit later when I get a break. I shouldn't be on the net right now since work just started.
Thanks again!
~scott
Thanks again!
~scott
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sjcrts
New member
I just gave this a good read. Man I apreciate the detail! Always nice to know how someone achieves a final ecording like this. It gives me something to aim for in the future as I learn more about recording and what type of equipment it may require to reach new posibilities.
I'm taking baby steps and am in no hurry to achieve a profesional sound. I just want to make sure I keep moving in the right direction. Having different examples to follow and knowing what the end results are really helps. Thanks gain for taking the time to spell it out!
Keep the music coming!
~scott
I'm taking baby steps and am in no hurry to achieve a profesional sound. I just want to make sure I keep moving in the right direction. Having different examples to follow and knowing what the end results are really helps. Thanks gain for taking the time to spell it out!
Keep the music coming!
~scott
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
I'm very curious as to how that 3035 works out....let us know please.
As for the song....I likes it.......the mix does sound done to me. The only thing I noticed (and this was on 'puter speakers) was that the guitars could have sounded just a little bit 'fatter'. This, of course, would be a personal taste decision but to me....the mix seemed just a little teeny tiny bit empty. Fatter guitars would have filled it up. BUT......like I said, this is a matter of taste and also is quite 'nitpicky'.
Good one Jake.....is this going on the comp CD?
As for the song....I likes it.......the mix does sound done to me. The only thing I noticed (and this was on 'puter speakers) was that the guitars could have sounded just a little bit 'fatter'. This, of course, would be a personal taste decision but to me....the mix seemed just a little teeny tiny bit empty. Fatter guitars would have filled it up. BUT......like I said, this is a matter of taste and also is quite 'nitpicky'.
Good one Jake.....is this going on the comp CD?
jake-owa
Banned
Hi bob! I hear ya about the guitars, I had eq'ed them a bit to thicken the feild a bit but decided to back off that because I lioked the space the guitars left, it compliments the rest of my stuff.Lt. Bob said:
The 3035 is great! Well take that with a grain of salt, I have only an AKG c300 and ADK A51 but out of the three it rocks the hardest. See my review in the mic forum for details.
Thanks for the listen!
jake-owa
Banned
No problem man, thanks for caring!sjcrts said:
Remember man, it's not what ya got but what ya do wit it.
Have fun and use the hell out of the mp3 clinic because it is the most valuable tool we home reccers have at our disposal.
fenderlikingood
New member
Dat's da sctuff!!!!!!!!
Thank's for the remix, Jake!!!!!.........see, i am realy a selfish sum bitch looking for good- free music!!!!
This fit's the bill!!!!!!
Peace
Rick
Thank's for the remix, Jake!!!!!.........see, i am realy a selfish sum bitch looking for good- free music!!!!
This fit's the bill!!!!!!
Peace
Rick
jake-owa
Banned
No prob man. I'm here to please.
flat-9
New member
Jake,
Print it!
This song 'got ' me on the first listen a while back & your mix work on it since then has it cookin.
Like it or not man, this song indeed does have hooks in it. Good ones, intentional or not! They are present in the melody, harmonic structure, lyrics and arrangement. Compositionally, it's so tight you could bounce a dime off it's ass.
The only thing I miss is a smokin solo but the hip double-time vocals make up for it's absence.
Passion, build and feel are a perfect 10. Lyrics rule, solid performance and recording. Fine work!
Ralph
Print it!
This song 'got ' me on the first listen a while back & your mix work on it since then has it cookin.
Like it or not man, this song indeed does have hooks in it. Good ones, intentional or not! They are present in the melody, harmonic structure, lyrics and arrangement. Compositionally, it's so tight you could bounce a dime off it's ass.
The only thing I miss is a smokin solo but the hip double-time vocals make up for it's absence.
Passion, build and feel are a perfect 10. Lyrics rule, solid performance and recording. Fine work!
Ralph
jake-owa
Banned
Wow I'm teary-eyed!
I don't really do leads unless the song absolutely needs it. Even then I like them simple as can be. I think of 50s' music that we all love so much. Would the classics be the same with Yingwe ripping in every extra space?
Thanks for the glowing review!
I don't really do leads unless the song absolutely needs it. Even then I like them simple as can be. I think of 50s' music that we all love so much. Would the classics be the same with Yingwe ripping in every extra space?
Thanks for the glowing review!
David
New member
Been listening to both versions the past hr or so. You've got those vocals top notch now
. Glad I came back..
. Glad I came back..
David
New member
This was a 5***** thread to begin with, and should be a "10" now. Who ever you are that's fucking with the rating of the stars in the clinic..i hope your balls (if you have any) rot.
jake-owa
Banned
Thanks for the concern Freshears but the stars don't mean crap. I'm sure it is some weak minded fool who felt dejected at my criticism of his music, I care...
This thread is well past it's time so I'll be locking it forever. Thanks to everyone who helped me on this mix, I would like you all to know that you are the reason this song is sounding so damn awesome now, I could have done it without ya but it would have taken weeks or months more, thanks again and until next time, hopefully in a couple days, goodbye.
Jake
Ps, I love the clinic!
This thread is well past it's time so I'll be locking it forever. Thanks to everyone who helped me on this mix, I would like you all to know that you are the reason this song is sounding so damn awesome now, I could have done it without ya but it would have taken weeks or months more, thanks again and until next time, hopefully in a couple days, goodbye.
Jake
Ps, I love the clinic!
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