i suck at coming up w/original sounding stuff

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You get inspired by They Might Be Giants because they're SO AWESOME. And they have tremendously fresh chord progressions and styles.
 
Nilbog said:
I have no idea why - but Im always inspired by They Might Be Giants. And my style isn't at all like theirs.

Did they put out a CD with the title, something American Airmen or something of that sort???
 
Dont just use straight cords in a song. Add runs and licks. Also like someone else said, learn other cords besides major and minor. Experiment alot. I can't write songs which are just straight out major or minor chords with nothing else to them. I think Im sorta starting to sound more like Radiohead... Its not exactly radio friendly, but they still sell tons of records and are perhaps one of the bands with most tribute bands playing their material Ive ever seen.
 
Jotosuds said:
they all sound the same. 4/4 time. 4 chord progression. maybe a two chord prechorus. rinse. repeat.

i've exhausted my knowledge of progressions and how to create new ones. agh. i need some more voicings i think.

i've used these already:

Em C G D <------- alot

G C Em D C <----------i like this one

C G A F


i think you guys get the picture. how do you get out of this kind of creative rut? help me....


Try variations on a theme and see where it leads you.
For example take: Em C G D
And change it to: Cmaj7 Am Em D
OR
For example take: G C Em D C
And change it to: G7 C7 E7 D9 C9

Also, changing the bass notation can make a world of difference in how a song sounds. For example :

Em(E) C(C) G(G) D(D)

sounds a bit different than

Em(G) C(G) G(G) D(F#)

**** bass note in parenthesis.

Lastly, buy a songbook full of songs you don't know. Make sure it has the guitar chords. Ignore the vocal line and and make it up as you go.

Good luck,
jay
 
I didn't see anyone post these. So being a former classical orchestral musician turned pop-wanna-be I'd recommend listening to

Barber's Adagio for Strings
Satie's Gymnodopies (There are 3)
Vaughan Williams fanfare on a theme by thomas tallis

These are all more modern sounding
Old school sombre stuff would be like

Beethoven 7th symphony the second movement

There is a lot more but that's what I can think of off the top of my head. YOu probably have even heard most of that music before, they use it in movies ALL the time

but as far as writing songs that dont sound the same. Try taking some stock chord voicings and moving them up the neck. for instance play a C chord but slide it up two frets so you get

--0--
--3--
--0--
--4--
--5--
--X--

Or else just make up voicings and don't worry about playing a chord. Just put your fingers in random spots on the neck and find somethng that sounds cool.

Hope that helps
-Mike
 
Give this a try...

If you want to work on coming up with new chord progressions, try this exercise:

1) Pick a chord to start with (any chord is fine), and play it.

2) Figure out which chord you instinctively want to go next. Instead of doing so, pick any other note at random. Don't listen to how it sounds, just pick it. This is the base note for your next chord. Decide if it's major or minor (at random if you like), and play it.

3) Repeat step 2 one or two more times.

4) Play the progression

This is what I call the "do exactly what you wouldn't" method. The results are often dissonant, but it is a good mind exercise, and will help train you to look beyond what you already know. If you have trouble choosing chords at random, then you can use a 12-sided die (D12) to pick the chord and a coin to decide major or minor.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, look into variants of chords as well... augmented, diminished and seventh (major or minor) chords will often lead you in different directions than you have gone previously, as they add a different dynamic to the progression. When I was stuck playing the same chord progressions, exploring variants helped greatly. If you like, work variants into the above exercise - if you want, you can use a 4-sided or 6-sided die instead of a coin to decide which variant to play.

Time signatures are often tough to get the hang of. If you can, find examples of music using different time signatures, figure out how they are played rhythmically, and imitate it until you begin to understand that time signature as instinctively as 4/4. Initially, though, work on chord progressions and rhythms in good ol' 4/4, so you wont be trying to lift two crates with one hand.

For rhythm and phrasing, find a wide variety of styles, and listen to them all. For example, if you're into R&B, listen to some country, some jazz, some techno, some tejano, and some rock/metal. Many of the most innovative artists in music are ones who brought new influences into an old style.

General recommendations - try to create when you are awake and alert. When you're tired, creative energies are usually low, and it's extremely easy to fall back into comfortable patterns. Also, if you know more than one instrument, play another instrument for a while and come back to the one you're writing with. You may be surprised what you pick up.

Hope this helps. Keep writing! :)

P.S. - "D12" method for Western-scale chords: 1=C, 2=C#, 3=D,4=D#, and so on, up to B=12. You can also start on a different note than C - just remember to go up one half-step for each number. (Ex: 1=G, 2=G#, etc.)

P.P.S. - In case you don't know where to look, 12-sided dice can be found at many local gaming and comic-book stores, as well as through many online vendors.
 
Haven't posted at HomeRec for a while (of course, I've been lurking), but this thread inspired me to chime in. It's a subject that I think about a lot, since I'm always trying to do new things with every song I write. I've only been writing music regularly for about 5 years now, but I've built up a list of things that I do when I get stuck on "sameness" in my music. They're not necessarily things you'd want to do all the time (otherwise, they wouldn't be new), just things I try every now and then when I get stuck. Maybe they'll help you, too!

In no particular order, just as they come to my head...

1.) Stop thinking about chords in terms of chord names and theory. Gmaj/Em/Dmaj? Forget it! Pick up your guitar (or sit down at your piano, or whatever) and start strumming weird stuff, anything at all, with fingerings and positions you never thought you'd ever use. A lot of it will sound like crap, but every once and a while you'll stumble on something brilliant...and that might be all you need to help you make something new. You'd be surprised at how good some chords sound that you'd never ever hear of in a theory book...
2.) Do you usually think of a melody first, then build the chord structure? Do the opposite. Same goes for vice versa. Breaking up the routine breeds innovation.
3.) Work in arpeggios. This'll help emphasize the individual chord members as opposed to the entire chords, and encourage you to do things you normally wouldn't do, such as dissonances or other combos.
4.) Work in a different time signature. Maybe even 3/4 as opposed to 4/4. Or, do something really wacky...try writing a melody in 11/8. Mix and match normal time signatures for strange things...i.e., doing a melody that alternates 4/4 and 5/4, or something like that.
5.) Write in a normal time signature, but using weird rhythmic patterns. For example, try writing a melody that relies entirely on upbeats.
6.) Like the way a specific rhythm pattern or chord change sounds in a song you like? Steal it. More specifically, take it and put it in an entirely different context, and see if you can build something new and unique. The simpler the element, the easier it is to make it into something new. Listen to lots of different types of music...
7.) Write with different instruments. If you usually start off with the guitar, write the bass line first. Or the keyboard riff. Or even the drum part. Or use an instrument you normally never use. Anything goes.
8.) Mix up the roles of your instruments. For example, have the bass drive the main riff or melody. It'll make it sound very different.
9.) Mix up the length of your voicings a lot...you don't always have to have 4 chords that each last 2 bars. Use passing chords to transition from longer chord blocks, have some chords last longer than others, etc. It'll break up the predictability of your progressions.
10.) Work with different phrasings. For example, you might write a melody in 4/4 that lasts for only 3 bars, or lasts for 5 bars. Or whatever you want.
11.) Get off the "verse-prechorus-chorus-bridge-chorus" thing. You might try writing a song that has absolutely no repetitive melodies, or a song that's based entirely on a repetitive rhythm or melody, and see if you can make it interesting...
12.) Write several different melodies and have them all go simultaneously. This is hard to do correctly, but sometimes it works against all expectations.
13.) If you're a guitarist, use different tunings, of course. But also, writing in bar chords or power chords sometimes helps a lot. It sounds really cool, and you'll sometimes use chords changes that you'd never do otherwise. See if you can build fuller chords off of a power chord progression.
14.) Try writing a song when you're really drunk. Or high. Or caffeinated. Just don't get arrested. :)
15.) Think of a specific mood or atmosphere that you want to convey before writing anything. Then, try writing a melody or chord progression that fits that mood. Or write music to fit lyrics if you normally write in the other order.
16.) Try imitating a specific genre or style. Be like, "I wanna write a song that sounds like '30s big band," or "I wanna write a string quartet." Sometime it won't sound like the target, but it might still sound cool.

That's all I can think of right now...it's a long one but I hope it's at least a little helpful to anyone who might be looking for some wacky new ideas. :D Good luck!

-Derrick
 
re: I suck at coming up with original sounding stuff

I agree with a lot of Derrick AKA Synthesthesia's ideas, but there's one thing a lot of people in this room haven't thought of yet. What about the increase of inspiration you get from buying a new piece of musical equipment? If you're a guitarist, perhaps buying a new sound effect, or perhaps a completely different instrument, will get those creative juices flowing for you. In addition to the guitar, I've always enjoyed learning as much as possible about keyboards, violin, bass, mandolins, autoharps, banjos, and singing, and recording. Keep hope alive. You'll get out of your creative rut quickly if you just remember to relax and keep your practices, songwriting sessions, etc. at a minimum level of comfort. Pay attention to the atmosphere and your surroundings when you feel you're stuck in a tight spot. Figure out how to make the emotional experience of learning or playing music better for you and the other musicians around you. You started playing music in order to have fun, right? The first thing I would recommend though, is to read some more. Subscribe to a music magazine, there are hundreds of them, or go out and buy some books. Also, there are hundreds of websites all over the net dedicated to inspiring musicians... like this one...
 
kevinmatthew1

Nice catch on the new equipment concept.

Of course, you can't always afford new equipment, but a good alternative is to hit a local music store and try out equipment and instruments... it can definitely get the mind working in new ways.

Learning music out of magazines/books is also a good idea, as well as playing along to favorite songs. I recently dropped my guitar down to Drop C (tuned to D) to play "Everlasting Gaze" by Smashing Pumpkins... lots of fun.
 
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