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scottn5388
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King Elvis-
I don't give a crap that it is a Tom Delongue model guitar. I like the tone that he gets with it and I like the feel of strats.
Sorry I offended you. I don't care what you wanna call it, I like that kind of music.
Outlaws and Neil-
I poped open the pickguard and there is room for a humbucker, I just need a new pickguard that will fit one. I want to keep the two single coils and just replace the bridge pickup with the invader. If I were to buy a new pickguard that fits 2 single coils and a humbucker, what would I have to do? Just wire the humbucker in place of the bridge single coil, and put the new pickguard over it? What about the pickup selection switch and the vol/tone knobs? Do new ones come with the pickguard, or can I use my existing ones?
I was reading something about the invader and it said it did not come in a "trembucker" model. If it is not one of these "trembucker" things, will it fit in a strat?
Thanks for all of your help,
Scott
I don't give a crap that it is a Tom Delongue model guitar. I like the tone that he gets with it and I like the feel of strats.
Sorry I offended you. I don't care what you wanna call it, I like that kind of music.
Outlaws and Neil-
I poped open the pickguard and there is room for a humbucker, I just need a new pickguard that will fit one. I want to keep the two single coils and just replace the bridge pickup with the invader. If I were to buy a new pickguard that fits 2 single coils and a humbucker, what would I have to do? Just wire the humbucker in place of the bridge single coil, and put the new pickguard over it? What about the pickup selection switch and the vol/tone knobs? Do new ones come with the pickguard, or can I use my existing ones?
I was reading something about the invader and it said it did not come in a "trembucker" model. If it is not one of these "trembucker" things, will it fit in a strat?
Thanks for all of your help,
Scott
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PFDarkside
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It's good to see that you are teaching yourself. 
With any humbucker, yes you would need the "Trembucker", it's a wider spaced P/U to fit the bridge of a strat. BUT, the Invader has those big ass allen bolts, and the field from those is so big that it doesn't matter...
So basically, the Invader will work. You can buy a new pickguard, take everything but the bridge pickup and put it on the new one, then re-solder the Invader in where the old bridge pickup was. Good Luck, and if you know anyone that has soldered before, at least have them come over to check it out while you're doing it. That avoids hassles when it doesn't work.
With any humbucker, yes you would need the "Trembucker", it's a wider spaced P/U to fit the bridge of a strat. BUT, the Invader has those big ass allen bolts, and the field from those is so big that it doesn't matter... So basically, the Invader will work. You can buy a new pickguard, take everything but the bridge pickup and put it on the new one, then re-solder the Invader in where the old bridge pickup was. Good Luck, and if you know anyone that has soldered before, at least have them come over to check it out while you're doing it. That avoids hassles when it doesn't work.
Outlaws
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All those volume and tone knobs will still work. I am not framiliar with the Invader, but I can tell you that the guy form Blink does not use the Squire model to get his sound. I would bet that his actual guitar is some kind of strat that he had, then just took out the neck and middle pickups. A few things happen and now Fender sells something that looks like his guitar. But you never know, he just might really play his model. Granted it be the Fender, not the Squire.
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Neil Ogilvie
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Delonge does play his model now, although he used to play a modded fat strat up until the Delonge strat was introduced.
For wiring info and tips, go to www.guitarnuts.com . this should give you an idea for wiring your strat with the fat strat circuitary.
I've always wanted to get a cheap squire and put a humbucker and delonge scratch plate on it....... This thread has inspired me to do this littel experiment.
Good Luck Scott.
For wiring info and tips, go to www.guitarnuts.com . this should give you an idea for wiring your strat with the fat strat circuitary.
I've always wanted to get a cheap squire and put a humbucker and delonge scratch plate on it....... This thread has inspired me to do this littel experiment.
Good Luck Scott.
King Elvis
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scottn5388 said:
Dude, dont get all upset. Twasnt no dis, I was just trying to say find what is right for you and not for your favorite artist. I used the Johnny Ramone example to illustrate that point. The ventures model axe he played wasnt the coolest in the world but he didnt give a damn. I WILL stick by my comments though, I am sure the Joey Ramone, Sid Vicious and Joe Strummer roll over in their graves everytime someone calls a band like blink 182 "punk"
I am sure Johnny Thunders isnt too happy about it either.
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Chrisjob
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King Elvis said:
Agreed....cept Sid was an idiot (I understand, he's the only dead pistol)
(and I bet Good Charlotte just make their bones disengrate)
RIP
Chris
King Elvis
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Chrisjob said:
Its funny how Sid became the poster boy for the punk movement. From what I understand he couldnt play the bass and I dont think the pistols ever recorded with him on bass.
Outlaws
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The thing I think is funny, is that when I grew up, punk was about doing what you wanted. Now people claim what others do is or is not punk.
Whatever.
Whatever.
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Bass Freak
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people that run around claming they are punks...in my eyes...are not punks....its the people that go to the shows, play the music, live the life, that are the punks......but tahts just me....
but for the guitar, i go to alot of shows...
i have seen right handed gibsons turned upside down, a vintage flying V, countless p-bass, more fenders than you could shake a stick at....but...if you dont like those then its ok. cuase you should just play with what you like instead of trying to get yourself into the look. i hate it when i go to shows and some band gets up there all dressed up and playing with thier new toys...
i saw this one band before....they called themselves "lemonade stand" pretty cool name, but they were just little rich kids that drove like 4 hours away to play, which i dont care, but, they sucked and they had spankin new gear.
it sucks being upper-middle class and having daddy buy you new things, just makes you wanna thrash...
just my two cents.....
freak
but for the guitar, i go to alot of shows...
i have seen right handed gibsons turned upside down, a vintage flying V, countless p-bass, more fenders than you could shake a stick at....but...if you dont like those then its ok. cuase you should just play with what you like instead of trying to get yourself into the look. i hate it when i go to shows and some band gets up there all dressed up and playing with thier new toys...
i saw this one band before....they called themselves "lemonade stand" pretty cool name, but they were just little rich kids that drove like 4 hours away to play, which i dont care, but, they sucked and they had spankin new gear.
it sucks being upper-middle class and having daddy buy you new things, just makes you wanna thrash...
just my two cents.....
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Neil Ogilvie
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I hate this whole who is punk and who isn't thing. This is debated constantly on www.musicforums.com and is such a waste of time.
Punk is whatever you make it. I've been in Punk bands, emo bands, Ska punk bands, skacore bands and grunge bands. My latest adventure is a 3 piece acoustic band with a couple of mates just before we all depart for uni. To me, this is the most punk band I've ever been in and is the most fun. Its the most genuine and fun of them all.
To be honest, I read in an interview with Joe Strummer and he said that a lot of his 'punkness' was put on for show as an image. But the guy is still a punk because although he dressed and acted differently for an effect, he still thought differently to the system - how he wanted.
When I was but a lad of 13, I looked up to the older 18 year old and thought "wow, they are so punk, I wanna be like them". But now I'm the 18 year old on stage with the 13 year olds saying that about me, I don't care what I do or look like, as long as I treat others with respect. So I guess Punk is treating others with respect, and doing what you feel is best for you within that. Those guys I looked up to were the same - they didn't succumb to what they felt society was telling them to do, but did what they had to.
Someone once said (on www.musicians forums.com )that all Punks are "Communist-Anarchists". If thats the case, I must be the most right-wing Punk in existence. I asked a guy who thinks of himself as punk about 2 months ago what he thought of goign to war in Iraq, and he said it was bad and he was going to the protest against it. I asked him why, and he didn't know why it would be bad. How punk is he really? He had all the right albums - Clash, pistols, op ivy as well as loads of new stuff (starting line, blink) and did enjoy the music, but how punk is he really?
The most punk bands are the most innovative - like the Police, the Beatles, Operation Ivy, The Clash, Dire Straits, Fleetwood Mac. But saying this, what did The Sex Pistols really do for Music? I mean, really? They were making a statement about society, not good music.
But then again, this is all opinion, and shouldn't be listened to too much.
Neil
Punk is whatever you make it. I've been in Punk bands, emo bands, Ska punk bands, skacore bands and grunge bands. My latest adventure is a 3 piece acoustic band with a couple of mates just before we all depart for uni. To me, this is the most punk band I've ever been in and is the most fun. Its the most genuine and fun of them all.
To be honest, I read in an interview with Joe Strummer and he said that a lot of his 'punkness' was put on for show as an image. But the guy is still a punk because although he dressed and acted differently for an effect, he still thought differently to the system - how he wanted.
When I was but a lad of 13, I looked up to the older 18 year old and thought "wow, they are so punk, I wanna be like them". But now I'm the 18 year old on stage with the 13 year olds saying that about me, I don't care what I do or look like, as long as I treat others with respect. So I guess Punk is treating others with respect, and doing what you feel is best for you within that. Those guys I looked up to were the same - they didn't succumb to what they felt society was telling them to do, but did what they had to.
Someone once said (on www.musicians forums.com )that all Punks are "Communist-Anarchists". If thats the case, I must be the most right-wing Punk in existence. I asked a guy who thinks of himself as punk about 2 months ago what he thought of goign to war in Iraq, and he said it was bad and he was going to the protest against it. I asked him why, and he didn't know why it would be bad. How punk is he really? He had all the right albums - Clash, pistols, op ivy as well as loads of new stuff (starting line, blink) and did enjoy the music, but how punk is he really?
The most punk bands are the most innovative - like the Police, the Beatles, Operation Ivy, The Clash, Dire Straits, Fleetwood Mac. But saying this, what did The Sex Pistols really do for Music? I mean, really? They were making a statement about society, not good music.
But then again, this is all opinion, and shouldn't be listened to too much.
Neil
King Elvis
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PUNK??? THE BEATLES???
Maybe when they were in Hamburg.
PUNK?? FLEETWOOD MAC????
OK you are joking right???
So who is was the singer in YOUR punk band??? Justin Timberlake
Maybe when they were in Hamburg.
PUNK?? FLEETWOOD MAC????
OK you are joking right???
So who is was the singer in YOUR punk band??? Justin Timberlake
King Elvis
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Look, the fact of the matter is that there is no punk any more. Punk died at the end of the 70's with The Clash and The Plasmatics being the only holdouts to make it into the 80's. The Plasmatics became a metal band and The Clash broke up when it got too mainstream. Punk ceased to exist after The Clash...PERIOD. The music they try and associate with punk today is not even close.
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Chrisjob
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I have some powerful strong opinions on 'punk', so I shant get riled up in this discussion
But King Elvis, Sid Vicious was never on any record, cause he was an idiot.
I will say one thing- if anyone holds Sid Vicious as a paradigm for punk rock, they're in it for the fashion
...and most are
I'm Not Punk, but I love punk rock music
Amen
Chris
But King Elvis, Sid Vicious was never on any record, cause he was an idiot.
I will say one thing- if anyone holds Sid Vicious as a paradigm for punk rock, they're in it for the fashion
...and most are
I'm Not Punk, but I love punk rock music
Amen
Chris
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Neil Ogilvie
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King Elvis said:
Okay, maybe that whole post was a little weird..... It was late and I was tired...... What I was tyring to say was that they had the same mindset as punks, just without the screaching music and awful clothes.
I guess punk music (as it was in the beginning) has died with The Clash, but it has taken on a new face as such with the emmersion of a strong punk rock scene on the US west coast. Theres the same energy to the music, but it is very diifferent sounding. I once saw a video of the Beatles live and they certaintly had this sort of energy on stage, aswell as big distorted guitars and heavy drumbeat.
I think Chris has summed up everything I was trying to say though in a much more succinct way.
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hoon
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even though it's pretty old post, i want to say and ask,
why are you guys TOO care about genre that people just categorized.?
fuuny thing is when i heard one guy told me that heavy metal contains
heavier distortded guitar sound with whatever blah blah... than hard rock.
"too many genre out there"
-neo who love music itself.
p.s : all i can see through people who named themselve as emo kids,
ska kids or skate-punk whatever kids is stereotyped uncooked brain.
why are you guys TOO care about genre that people just categorized.?
fuuny thing is when i heard one guy told me that heavy metal contains
heavier distortded guitar sound with whatever blah blah... than hard rock.
"too many genre out there"
-neo who love music itself.
p.s : all i can see through people who named themselve as emo kids,
ska kids or skate-punk whatever kids is stereotyped uncooked brain.
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Chrisjob
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hoon said:
I think that's alot of people's point. For many individuals, punk rock is not just music: it's a view on art, politics, and community. When the giant corporations capitilize on an underground movement still going strong after 30 years, and sell it to the white suburbians, it gets robbed from what it originally meant.
You have Good Charlotte and New Found Glory on MTV saying "Damn the man" while everytime their video gets played, some cat in a suit is making thousands of bucks. These entertainment corporations (Viacom, Fox, AOL/Time Warner) send people out into the real world, find an underground trend, then mass market it to the mall generation, which drives it into the crowd. It happened with 'grunge' eight years ago, 'ska' six years ago, and industrial goth 4 years ago. Its going to happen to emo in a year or two.....Which is fine, cause emo is awful
But emo and this new crowd of skate-bands not punk rock, its POP, and everything that the term 'punk' meant to a certain group of individuals (whether it should or not is a different question) is lost when Avril Lavigne dubs herself a 'punk' on the Disney channel
Okay, I have to take my last final exam now
Wish me luck
-Chris
Outlaws
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Chrisjob said:I think that's alot of people's point. For many individuals, punk rock is not just music: it's a view on art, politics, and community. When the giant corporations capitilize on an underground movement still going strong after 30 years, and sell it to the white suburbians, it gets robbed from what it originally meant.
You have Good Charlotte and New Found Glory on MTV saying "Damn the man" while everytime their video gets played, some cat in a suit is making thousands of bucks. These entertainment corporations (Viacom, Fox, AOL/Time Warner) send people out into the real world, find an underground trend, then mass market it to the mall generation, which drives it into the crowd. It happened with 'grunge' eight years ago, 'ska' six years ago, and industrial goth 4 years ago. Its going to happen to emo in a year or two.....Which is fine, cause emo is awful
But emo and this new crowd of skate-bands not punk rock, its POP, and everything that the term 'punk' meant to a certain group of individuals (whether it should or not is a different question) is lost when Avril Lavigne dubs herself a 'punk' on the Disney channel
Okay, I have to take my last final exam now
Wish me luck
-Chris
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hoon
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chris, i wish you get an A+++ on final exam.
is it enough?
is it enough?