I need to learn to play piano - recommend books?

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I can play a few songs and a handful of chords, a couple scales.

i would like to really learn some chord progressions and new scales, etc.

I am considering lessons (self taught so far) but was thinking maybe a book like piano for dummies or something

- anyone have any recommendations?
 
What kind of piano/keyboard player are wanting to become? Classicly Trained, or just a sort of Rock Key player?

The single biggest thing I believe you need to concern yourself with, "Are you willing to learn to sight read sheet music?" Meaning are you willing to develop the skill set to pick up a music book and play it from start to finish?

If you give me some feed back I'll recommend some books or routes to take.

Racherik
 
I did lesson for five years..and Im still pretty crap :(

Im self taught in a few things but always found when you reach that ceiling lessons always break you through to the next level...unless you are pretty disciplined about practise etc I say sign up for some and see if they are for you??
 
I just want to learn some chords and scales I guess - mostly to compose melodies for rock/alt/funk/experimental type music.

I'm just looking to memorize scales and chords and stuff - so I have some foundation to build some melodies on.

I learned one blues scale a couple months ago and it helped me come up with quite a few cool song ideas - but now it seems that I keep falling back on to that scale so I want to expand my repertoire a little bit.

I think I will check out the library see what books they have and maybe take a couple lessons form a local teacher. I looked online and on youtube some but didn't really find anything.

I am not really sure what it is I need to learn so it makes it more complicated - I am not looking to become a great piano player or keyboardist, I just want to be able to compose melodies and develop song ideas (which I am doing now but since I don't really know more than a handful of minor/major chords with 3 keys i am kind of limited)
 
I've seen in book/music stores small comb bound reference books that are meant to toss in your gigging bag.

I've seen then for scales and chords.

But I don't feel it's much necessary. All Major scales use the pattern

WWHWWWH where W=Whole Step & H=Half step.

For example the C note to D note is a whole step because it jumps 1 extra key on your board ( C# ) which in this case is black but doesn't have to be. The jump from E to F is considered a half step, because there isn't a note in between those.

The pattern for Minor is WHWWHWW.

Notes for any Major Chords Is a simple pattern, hit any note go up 2 whole steps hit then go up 1.5 steps. i.e. C + E + G is a "C" chord. Minor is similar but you hit a note plus the next one up 1.5 steps plus the next one 2 steps up.

i.e. A + D + E is an "Am" chord.

The last thing to know is it doesn't matter which of those notes you play or the order for example E + A + D is still an Am chord. These are called inversions.

If your truely have drive I would suggest lessons, a classic teacher should have a stack of formal books to burn through.

One of my greatest skill sets as a musician, that I am most proud of is the ability to sight read. The other day I pulled out my Van Halen song book written for keyboard and played the book start to finish skipping only one song that I didn't like. I didn't play perfect but it was like tossing a CD into a record player and listening to 10+ songs.

The biggest regret I have had with my studies is for the first 5 years I refused to play & sing. I always figured that I was the piano player not the singer.



Racherik
 
I just want to learn some chords and scales I guess - mostly to compose melodies for rock/alt/funk/experimental type music.

I'm just looking to memorize scales and chords and stuff - so I have some foundation to build some melodies on.

I learned one blues scale a couple months ago and it helped me come up with quite a few cool song ideas - but now it seems that I keep falling back on to that scale so I want to expand my repertoire a little bit.

I think I will check out the library see what books they have and maybe take a couple lessons form a local teacher. I looked online and on youtube some but didn't really find anything.

I am not really sure what it is I need to learn so it makes it more complicated - I am not looking to become a great piano player or keyboardist, I just want to be able to compose melodies and develop song ideas (which I am doing now but since I don't really know more than a handful of minor/major chords with 3 keys i am kind of limited)

you could probably just learn some stuff by ear, follow songs in the genres and learn it from them...

and Im not going to be that person that tells you that only lessons will do, not if you are only wanting to learn little bits and pieces...the advantage of formal training is that its far easier to get the key you're meant to be playing in and what does and doent work..id say my lessons helped me more with music in general than piano playing...I mean I play a synth, stick sheet music down in fornt of me and it takes my half an hour to remember what it all means
 
i.e. A + D + E is an "Am" chord.

Racherik
Last time I checked a minor chord consisted of a root, minor third and a fifth.


If the root is A, a minor third above that would be C and the fifth, E.
 
Recommended, but

I've compiled this list for a few people over the years, and I would argue tooth and nail (if need be) with their merits. BUT, I really don't think they will benefit you without me (or somebody similar) as a teacher. The majority of these books are listed as for Intermediate playing, but that did not dissuade the piano teacher who taught me from starting with them. He knew that I had taught myself to play by ear, and had learned the basics of "Every Good Boy Does Fine" E F G D F of the music staff. That said, I highly recommend these, but you still need a good teacher:


Order these 3 booklets by Lee Evans Keyboard techniques in Jazz, a 4th is
the famous "Hanon" etudes, 5 is a music manuscript paper booklet you will
need, and 6 & 7 are important dictionaries that will use indefinitely:

1) Scale Patterns & Exercises
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Keyboard-Techniques-in-Jazz-Intermediate-Level/2877522

2) Sequential Patterns & Exercises
http://www.amazon.com/Sequential-Pa...1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1273307824&sr=1-1-fkmr1

3) Broken Triads
http://www.amazon.com/Jazz-flavored...1_fkmr1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1273307995&sr=1-3-fkmr1

4) Hanon - The Virtuoso Pianist in Sixty Exercises for the Piano
http://www.amazon.com/Virtuoso-Pian...=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273308580&sr=1-3

5) Manuscript notebook
http://www.amazon.com/Musicians-Not...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273310243&sr=1-1

6) Essential Dictionary of Music: Definitions, Composers, Theory
http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Dic...=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273308788&sr=1-4

7) Essential Dictionary of Music Notation
http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Dic...=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273308788&sr=1-7
 
... anyone have any recommendations?

My best recommendation is to figure out tunes. After you play for maybe a year or so get some lessons.

... I'm just looking to memorize scales and chords and stuff - so I have some foundation to build some melodies on...


Memorizing scales and chords won't really help you write songs directly, but it will open your ears up to possibilities.

Go to Google Images and punch in "piano chords" - there's lots of stuff there.

I would learn chord theory. Learn some basic theory. The truth is you need to "look under every stone" - do everything you can think of.

Maybe take a theory class at a community college.
 
Hows your ear?

Ive been playing piano for about a year now. the only thing I ever read is how to use my fingers to maximise speed, and the genral run of the mill 1st, 3rd, 5th chord position. Through making myself practice I soon learnt everything I needed.

Having a good ear is very useful, I think everyone must have a tonal sence of which note playes well with another, And I used that to learn scales. just through trial and error. saying that Im an individual who learns far better by myself from making my own mistakes, opposed to somone who learns better by been taught them selves. I think I can bang out a good clasical piece, maybe not as perfectly played as a 10yr trained pianist, but Im one who belives a song is alot better played with perfectly convayed emotion rather than a perfectly timed hand movements.

I Learnt best being self taught, (also because I couldnt afford lessons). But you may learn better with a teacher. That said and done I would say getting taught by someone professional would be a hell of alot better then any book. but if you want to teach your self, then you need to really love the instrument and have the determination to make your self do it, even by practising 2 hours every night. or else you will just drop it in a week.
 
Last time I checked a minor chord consisted of a root, minor third and a fifth.


If the root is A, a minor third above that would be C and the fifth, E.

My bad, I slipped. I have no idea how I came up with that. That's what I get for trying to type and visualize in my skull with out a piano in front of me.

Racherik
 
Here is a decent little software program I found a long time ago called "All That Chords"...its free to try and only $5 to buy I think.

just click on chord names and it shows the music in written form and shows chord on keyboard as well...you can save these chords as midi files as well.

http://o.gortais.free.fr/index.html

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Here is another trick if you want to get to something fun you can show people.

Pick a general Rock song that's has about zero instrument melody. Google "guitar tab" find a song that has chord lables along with vocals. Pick something that features say 4 to 5 chords.

Bang on the keys and sing. Then to make it so the chords have a different "tone" pick inversions that let you change chords fast with out moving your hand a whole bunch. For example suppose someone wrote a song using the chords C, F & G (Like that's never been done before.) Put your right hand in a standard triad for C, then when you go to change to F don't move your hand up 3 keys. Instead leave your Thumb on and just move the rest of your fingers to hit the notes F & A. Pick whatever feels nicest. Then try and experiment with inversion to see what sound nicest.

I call this rhythm piano.

You can then use your right hand to then do bass walks.
 
When I first started trying to learn piano I tried to find all kinds of short cuts, I sent more hours looking for tricks than playing. I really didn't find any.

I started playing when I was 34, the route I went to learn was to go buy a stack of kiddy books labeled 1 through 5 grade (Alfred I think). I drilled & drilled & drilled probably around 16 hours a week. Around the seventh month my skill set got good enough to allowed me to kluge and learn to play "real" songs. At this point playing piano felt more fun than work.

Also, If your going jam in a band with other people, don't forget the Hammon B3.

Racherik
 
Alfred's has a really good book that I've used to teach older kids. I think it's called

"Alfred's piano for Adults"
 
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