I need help setting up my mics.

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Ok, well, I have a Presonus Firepod, an AT 2020, a MXL 990, a CAD GXL 3000, and two really cheap dynamics...

Were having band practice tommorow, and I just wanna mess around, try and see what kind of quality recording I can get with what I have, which i know is not great.

We have drums, bass, and one guitar to mic + vox, which i figured id over dub.

How would you place the mics in my situation?

Thanks for any help!
 
How many mics, whats the situation? Meaning...gonna record the whole gig at once or are you going to take the drums down then the bass, then the guitar, then the singer...etc? The room(s) are going to play such a big part in the way this sounds.

Get an honest recording...stay away from effects, compressors, EQ's etc...you can put that stuff on afterwards..you can never take it away. WORD!

Drums...this is the tough part IMHO...keep it simple...two mics for beginners and pros for that matter. A great drum kit recording can be had with two mics...if you've got extra mics, assuming a kick mic, I'd add a kick then a snare...all else, forget it...otherwise, you woudn't be asking (no insult intended...I know where you're coming from). I favor the x/y set up over head as it minimizes phasing issues but many really like the separated pairs. IMHO, x/y is easier to set up and still gets good results. And oh poopies...tune the drums! Tune them, tune them tune them. This will take a beginner a couple hours...a pro...maybe more. Yup!

Guitar amp...1 to two inches from the front of the amp face and about half way between the speaker cone and the outer edge. But again, what's the genre of music, the mic's the sound you're after etc...

Bass...forget about mics...DI is the only way to go unless you've got some pretty serious mic gear. It's not impossible but the bass sound is so hard to get. DI's make it simple work. When talking DI's...bass POD or other is fine.

Singer...again, unless you're planning for a live gig recording, do the singer in a seperate room. If you have to do it live, have the singer face the band so that his/her mic is facing away from the band.

Man, these are some VERY generalized places to start with. I wouldn't even think about jumping into your situation without knowing a LOT more. This isn't a slam dunk question and answer session thing. If when you're listening to the band and you think their sound sucks...just wait until you listen to the recording! Take your time to get the band positioned, and playing in a way that's pleasing. You'll want to walk around and listen, cranked up amps don't always sound good in a studio...adjust acordingly and dare to experiment.

The guitar player is gonna want max gain...smack him! Turn it down and listen to the recording. Same with the drummer, if he's a gorilla, that's how it will sound...you don't want to squelch the players but I've seen it too often where you put a mic up in front and the band gets really freakin' loud and looses control. Encourage a warm up. This will help to get everyone settled in.

Control/tame the situation and help to bring out the best in the band...get an honest clean recording then polish the turd later. Forget about the effects and processing until later. Do a sound check...and do it again...the drummer is going to be about 6 to 10 dB louder when they play the first song (after the sound check) then he'll petre' out. The guitar...it will stay flat...same for the bass...the singer...will peak and dip. Don't worry about peaking the meters...worry about over peaking them...you can't fix a "too hot" signal.

Good luck~! You're gonna need it!
 
Thanks for the post!

Heres some more info on the situation.

We play hard rock/ indie stuff. I was thinking of recording everyone at the same time except for the vocals.

I dont know how I could DI the bass right now, cuz I'm poor and don't have headphones for everyone yet.

I listed the mics in the first post, and Im curious which ones you would use where.

Thanks for the help!
 
drummerboy_04AP said:
Thanks for the post!

I dont know how I could DI the bass right now, cuz I'm poor and don't have headphones for everyone yet.

Thanks for the help!

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what do you mean by that? you wouldent need headphones just send the di through output back to the amp, that is if you are using a box and not plugging straight into the firepod. and if you are using the firepod remember that only inputs one and two can be used as direct injection inputs.
 
How crappy is the room you're recording in, that determines a bunch towards of mic placement
 
The bassists amp has a direct out, so I was planning on going from that into channel one or two on the firepod.

I really dont know how bad my room is. I dont really know how to tell. It is carpeted, rectangular, and has a bunch of weird slopes, so its not like a perfect rectangle.

We recorded just drums and guitar today because our bassist wasnt there, but I was actually surprised at the quality. I mean, its not great, but I was expecting it to be a lot worse.
 
Good deal...what did you end up using for mics on the drums? Did you use the cheapo condensors?

The X/Y is a quick and fairly easy way to get some pretty decent sounding drums. Add a kick mic and a snare and you're set. I don't know what you're using for recording application but if it has a phase reversal switch, you should try playing with that during play back on each of the tracks one by one. Getting one of the mics out of phase (or more than one) can really suck the life out of a recording. Start with the two over-heads,...adjust for the very best possible sound, then add one mic...balance/adjust so on and so forth.
 
ya, i used the mxl and the cad in a half-assed Recorderman set up. Tommorow Ill work more with setting em up better, and I need to add a snare mic I think, it just didnt seem to be cutting.

I used the cheap dynamic on the amp, it was alright. I want to try a condensor in front of it tommorow, how far away would you reccomend? I was thinking about 2 feet level with the amp, and slightly off center. What do you think?

Thanks for the help, and Punkin, Ill send you a clip after so there will be bass.
 
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