I Need Help Buying Monitors

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I have come to the conclusion that the weakest link in my recording chain is my monitors (Sound Dynamics R-55). I need to hear what is going on tape. Does anyone have a few suggestions for someone on a limited budget(ie.$200.00). Any help would be great!
 
Well, if your monitors are the weakest in the recording chain and your budget for replacements are only $200, then I have a feeling there won't be much of an inprovement. Man. What are you using now? My advice is to save awhile until you at least double; maybe even triple the present budget.
 
Sorry, what I meant was I've never heard of Sound Dymanics speakers.
 
Sound Dynamics is a Canadian company from the Toronto area.
By the sounds of it I should keep what I have, and learn to compensate, rather than "morgage my life" for a set of "true" monitors.
Great Forum.
Thanks
 
PS:
$400.00-$800.00 US.(for a set of decent monitors) is enough for a down payment on an Igloo up here. Ha Ha!
 
Recording engineer is right. Best you wait but if your desprate you can think of this,

1. Buy a pair of headphones that are as flat as you can find -although not suggested to mix on a pair of headphones, you would still get a better picture of you mix to help you compensate.

2. maybe you can buy used monitors from
a studio selling or upgrading. Check out mags and internet used instrument sales
You might have to add some money but you might get a good deal close to your budget.
 
Hi! I had the same concern--what are good monitors? Everyone told me (at the time) that JBLs are great, blah blah, but get Yamaha NS-10's because all the big studios have them.

Then I found a great article in Recording magazine. In sum: Go to the store(s) you'll likely find pro monitors, or the best stereo retailer in town if there aren't pro audio shops near you. Take three CD's. One should have fat, punchy bass, like a hip hop CD, or Herbie Hancock, whatever. The second should be classical music, mastered within the last 10 or 15 years. And the third should be simply your favorite CD, the one you know inside and out.

First, ask the salesman to cut out all EQ or other effects which make home audio consumers say "ooh", and start the "bass-test" CD. The bass should be clean and clear, not heavy and muddy. Heavy and muddy means there is significant coloration in the speakers or simply lousy bass replication, which will result in your mixing the bass improperly. Some small monitors have virtually no bass replication. Next, switch to the classical CD, and listen with your eyes closed. Do the strings sounds like keyboard patches, or do they sound live? Can you hear the scratch of the bows? Can you feel the basses, or are they indistinguishable from the cellos? What about the winds? Can you hear *each and every wind player simultaneously*? Are the timpani clean and resonant? If the monitors are good, you should hear the complete range of the instrumentation, well, completely. *It should sound live*. (The logic behind the "classical test" is that, while we may never know exactly what an electric bass or synth patch should sound like, we do know what a violin or an oboe sounds like. If these instruments are replicated well, then our electronic ones will be as accurate as possible too.) Finally, put in your favorite CD. Let 'er rip!! Is it smokin'? Is that vocalist oh-so-clear? Is the high-hat crispy and the bass mean? Did you hear something you never heard on your old monitors, a little mistake, perhaps, or a secondary bass line that you didn't hear floating around there before?

If the monitors pass these three tests, they're the ones to get. I myself took Tannoy NFM 8's (a few years ago, still lovin' them), but they're about a grand a pair. And, I can tell you from experience that Yamaha NS-10's really are used in pro studios for near field monitoring. Even though the Yamahas sound kinda weak, the theory is that they replicate the quality and range of low-to-mid-priced consumer radios and stereos. So if you can get a good, balanced mix on the Yamahas, it will sound good just about anywhere. It's a fairly effective theory, actually. Just bear in mind that the NS-10's have a weak bass and a fair-to-middling dynamic range. So if you mix with them, be careful not to overcompensate by pushing the bass levels too high on the mixer.

Okay, I wrote a mouthful, but I do hope it's helpful. I believe monitors define the mix, and should be chosen as carefully as a $2000 sampler or $5000 saxophone. Good luck, and happy hunting!
 
Thanks...every bit helps!
Would appear that the more I know...the less I know!
Wow, that's deep!
 
I also suggest keeping an eye on E-bay and Rock Auction. It seems that you see a good set of NS-10s for two or three hundred dollars. I have also seen Alesis Monitor One's and Twos in your budget. Keep hunting. I have a set of NS-10s and agree with the theory behind them. My mixes turn out good on any system - once you know what you are listening for.
 
Kenestacio has some pretty good advice. I have a pair of Yamaha NS-M10s, and at first all my recordings made using the Yamaha monitors sounded dull when played on home or auto systems. The Yamahas sound great by themselves, but they're really "bright" sounding compared to standard home systems. I initially compensated for the brightness by boosting the bass levels when recording, and found my final mixes were all too bassy on other stereo systems. I fixed the problem by inserting a Rane eq between the mixer outs and the power amp and boosting the bass response sent to the speakers. As a result, I'm getting nice low end response without boosting bass levels on the actual tracks. Now my mixes sound fine on just about any system.

I'd go with kenestacio's plan of finding a set of monitors (tested flat) that sound like what YOU like on a set of CDs. This way, your speakers are giving you what you expect without having to compensate with an eq between the mixer and amp.

I've found this is one of the toughest parts of making good recordings, but that once you have your monitor system tuned for your ear and standard commercial systems, then you can record without worrying about what it's going to sound like outside the studio--and worry about the music instead!!

Good luck!
 
I have been useing tannoy 6.5 studio monitors for about 10 years and have been very happy with there performance.. some say they color the mix too much, but i have found that once i mix something down..I play the recording on a car stereo a cheap boombox , home stereo, and if it sounds good on them, it has been mixed just fine..but thats my opinion...Tannoy Fan
 
I bet you know how those things respond to everything after working with them for 10 years.
 
Hi folks, esp. fellow Canuck Bill. I'm new here, but this looks like just what I need! What about buying used monitors for the terminally broke? The rain melted my igloo out here on the Wet Coast, and I have very few weak Canadian dollars to spend. Any tips on buying used monitors, and what would give me the best bang for my buck? JBLs? Currently I have nothing, just home stereo speakers. They will be used for mixing/mastering dance music and funk/jazz stuff, near field in my house. Also, what do I need to be driving them with? Do I need to spend a lot on a clean power amp if I won't be monitoring all that loud?
One interesting tip that might be of use here I read from the guy (name escapes me) who runs One Little Indian, and has done really well in the rap/dance market. He said that in addition to monitoring on the flatest speakers he could find, he then monitors final mixes on a ghetto blaster, home stereo, and big speakers in his bathroom while he stands outside of it! The latter is supposed to be the best approximation of your mix being bludgeoned in a dance club. Hope that helps someone.

Thanks, Iain.
 
Another trick is to monitor with the vacuum on and make sure your can still hear everything.
 
Keep on rockin'(eh!) my igloo friend! Happy searchin'!
 
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