I have a confession . . .

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You know the ultra-wide stereo spread on drums that so many people seem to despise?

You know . . . the kind where you hear the tom rolls go from right speaker to left in an extreme fashion, and then you hear the crash way right?

I kinda' like that effect. :D

In fact, I think I'm going to mix every project that way, unless of course I'm told not to.

I just think it's kinda' cool. Is there something wrong with me?
 
Yes, but it has nothing to do with panning. :D
 
I've never had a client say they didn't want that drum spread.... OHs I tend to close-in a little bit (8 o'clock/4 o'clock) for a slightly more focused image... and the toms spread generally no wider than 9 o'clock/3 o'clock....
 
Well I guess I'll have to be the first to tell you... don't do it. You must now crawl on your hands and knees on broken glass through the doorway of the closest recording studio to your own and tell the owner you're sorry for defaming his industry. And yes, there are probably a few things wrong with you. That just ain't right!
 
i live at the end of a 5 and a 1/2 minute hallway

Trackrat is right, it has nothing to do with panning, more with mic-ing the kit, but StevenLindsey is way off. The issue isn't the spread in general, but what kind of project you're using it on. all musicians know that effects are determined to work or not work in the mix, same with different mic-ings. (micing, how do you say it) but i recommend recording with the ultra-wide spread and a more narrow spread and just trying both of them in the final mix. more trouble, but worth it for a better sounding song.
 
:D Why, you young whippersnapper, I oughta .... I stand by my assessment of this abomination.
 
Well, if your really going to do it..........

Then why don't you use one of those doppler effects on a tom/crash sub-mix and vocode it with a racing car or a jet flying past?

:D Q.
 
you wanna go, turkey? :)

I stand by my assessment of this abomination.[/QUOTE said:
how can you say that before you know the rest of the song he's making. everyone has their opinion, but if you want, i can find half a dozen songs that that mix works better than a more narrow mix would on.
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Chessrock:

I'm curious, are you a drummer now or in a previous period of your life?

Also, how do you pan, from the drummer's perspective or as if you were facing the drums.
 
Qwerty said:
Then why don't you use one of those doppler effects on a tom/crash sub-mix and vocode it with a racing car or a jet flying past?
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That actually sounds like it might be pretty cool. I'm going to have to give that a whirl. :D
 
masteringhouse said:
Chessrock:

I'm curious, are you a drummer now or in a previous period of your life?

Also, how do you pan, from the drummer's perspective or as if you were facing the drums.
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Everyone knows that drums should be panned from the drummers perspective....even if you're not a drummer, what about all the poor air-drummers...do you really want to force them to do their fills backwards!?

i really like some of tool's drum panning...with the snare not in the stereotypical center of the mix....i mean, snare in the center...how predictable is that...it's not in the center when you're actually behind the kit...

screw you guys, i'm going home :)
 
Here is the cheapest one that I've found, and it's gold!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...4305931407&rd=1

BTW, there are thingies like auto-panners, but that's a different animal.


HAHAHA! You're so mean! Anywho, as long as you're such a big-shot, you (or someone else) might be able to answer my question. What is the difference between a Line In and an Insert 1/4" jack on a mixer; they both go to the same channel.

Thanks! :)
 
jayster10125 said:
Here is the cheapest one that I've found, and it's gold!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...4305931407&rd=1

BTW, there are thingies like auto-panners, but that's a different animal.


HAHAHA! You're so mean! Anywho, as long as you're such a big-shot, you (or someone else) might be able to answer my question. What is the difference between a Line In and an Insert 1/4" jack on a mixer; they both go to the same channel.

Thanks! :)
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Basically the difference is that a line in will only have 2 wires, a hot and a ground. The hot is used to carry the audio signal into the channel (send).

An insert has 3 wires, one which acts as a ground, one with acts as a send, and one which acts as a return. It's usually used to insert devices like a compressor into the channel. An insert cable should have a tip/ring/sleeve type of plug.

A little less than basic is that on many mixers the line in will also run through an IC circuit used to control gain (preamp) while the send on the insert will not. I guess the engineers assume that if you insert something you know enough to make sure that the output of your device will be at line level.

If you're not using a microphone as an input to the channel, or you are using an outboard preamp it's best to bypass the preamp of the board since in inexpensive boards they most likely suck. When using a board like this, use the send on the insert rather than plugging into the line in so that you don't have the extra baggage of the IC chip. The sound will definitely improve.
 
Personally, I don't think there is a reason for much debate on the panning of drums from the audience vs. drummers perspective. What if the drummer is left handed and you pan the drum tracks to his perspective...? Will people know that you have done this or will they think you have panned to audiences perspective of a right handed drummer....? I think that the mix of the drums within the song is what is paramount, so whatever works best is what should be done.
 
achilles last stand

I was listening pretty carefully to the mixing in this Zep great. The snare and hihat are panned slightly to the audiences right, not an uncommon thing. But very clearly on one of the long fills (if not more, this one just popped out at me) the tom fill which goes from high to low through all hundred of them goes from audience left to audience right, exactly opposite of what it would've sounded like in real life. I don't think the panning was that extreme, but it was definitely noticeable. I don't know if Pagey mixed it, but i'm sure his hand was in it somehow, perhaps they've done other songs like this, I haven't sat down to listen just for the mixing. (i'm a newbie) Anywho, maybe it shows some of zep's genious, because with the guitar going left and right and a pretty constant bass and keyboard on the left, it feels natural to the song to have the increasingly bassy lower toms go to the right, where they wouldn't be drowned out by the droning of the bass and synth. Maybe I'm bas(s)ing <---haha joke...this all on shaky theory (or no theory at all) but i think you should do whatever sounds good for the song. Just make sure that it still sounds good for the song after you've heard it ten times. You might get sick of hearing how the drums teetertotter the balance on fills.

Wow, that was longer than I expected for not really having anything important to say. BTW...Zep is absolutely incredible! Have a nice day everyone! :)
 
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