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DannyD
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I would like some information on equitment for my studio? Where are the best price?
frederic
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DannyD said:
With the lack of information you provide, you're not going to get too many answers.
Its my recommendation to balance service, with pricing. I don't mind spending my dollars at a local retailer for a complex device, where the dealer can spend some time showing me how to use it, or answer questions for me. If its a "box" I need, such as a speaker, a slew of cables, an amplifier where I won't need any advice or help, I go mail order. For mail order, there are about 20 places to choose from. Pick one
kristian
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be reasonable.
your 10K will be 0 quicker then you think if you don't read up on stuff. I say spend atleast half a year reading and learning and trying without buying, or else you will lose half of your money trying to sell things you dont want.
your 10K will be 0 quicker then you think if you don't read up on stuff. I say spend atleast half a year reading and learning and trying without buying, or else you will lose half of your money trying to sell things you dont want.
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DannyD
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Well I pray that with the 10k I will be able to setup my studio and still have some money left over to drink one glass of wine. (just one). I plan to record small bands and solo artists. I have a couple of groups setup already to record when I am done.
kristian
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ok, well you are sitting ona gold mine. I'm going to not recommend you going around asking what you shoudl get because people will give advice on what suits them. Does this include construction costs? Are you working on a computer? reel to reel? ADAT? live rooms? drums guitars? choirs? orchestras jazz bands? just start thinking, and reading and theoreticals. Go through all the motions you can without actually parting with your money, that way you will be all the more happy with what you do.
The studio building and display forum will help a lot of you plan a construction, there is a simple garage or basement plan and more complicated plans for studios provided free by john sayers, in the mic forum you have a good thread related to how actual mics relate to what instrument you are recording. All the forums will help you. just take a read, which i'm more then sure you have just keep doing it.
The studio building and display forum will help a lot of you plan a construction, there is a simple garage or basement plan and more complicated plans for studios provided free by john sayers, in the mic forum you have a good thread related to how actual mics relate to what instrument you are recording. All the forums will help you. just take a read, which i'm more then sure you have
just keep doing it.
sjoko2
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Let me ask you a couple of questions before trying to make a recommendation:
- Where are you going to record?
- What gear have you got already?
- What is your current recording experience?
- What kind of music will be predominant?
Perhaps if you answer those in detail.........
- Where are you going to record?
- What gear have you got already?
- What is your current recording experience?
- What kind of music will be predominant?
Perhaps if you answer those in detail.........
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DannyD
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I will be recording using a computer. I will be recording mostly rock groups and chorus groups. I have being reading around about the best way to use the space in my backyard. The 10k will be just for equitment. I studied 3 years for record engineer and recorded some bands at school. I also did some sound engineer for 2 years. My love has always being to record and produce. I pray that with what I have I will be able to start my own business and grow from there. Peace to all.
sjoko2
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Danny, I'm more than prepared to make some considered suggestions, but .... If you want to use the resources available here to your best advantage, you should be a bit more specific.
Again:
- What gear do you have already - like for instance do you have a computer you intend to use, if yes, what kind, or do you have to get this out of your 10k budget. Do you have microphones already? Do you have cables? Mic stands? Anything?
Reason I'm asking .... I've just spend your budget in my new place, just on wiring and patchbays.
- What kind of music? Will you be recording whole bands at the time? Which will determine how many mics etc. you need to start off with.
- There must be some system you have a preference for, what would that be?
Again:
- What gear do you have already - like for instance do you have a computer you intend to use, if yes, what kind, or do you have to get this out of your 10k budget. Do you have microphones already? Do you have cables? Mic stands? Anything?
Reason I'm asking .... I've just spend your budget in my new place, just on wiring and patchbays.
- What kind of music? Will you be recording whole bands at the time? Which will determine how many mics etc. you need to start off with.
- There must be some system you have a preference for, what would that be?
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DannyD
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The first thing I am thinking of buying is the Mackie 24:8bus. I have all the software to record already. I have Cubase, Wavelab, Nuendo, Cakewalk and much more. I am read up on Cubase. The first program I had was Cakewalk 6.0.
Sonic Misfit
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Danny,
I read your posts and agree with the others that you will need to spend a lot of time studying. I noticed that you are thinking about the Mackie 24x8, yet earlier on you said that you want to use a computer to record. Trust me, this is not the best combination.
If you want to use a computer, there are some cosoles that were made to integrate with your software, they are made by Focusrite, Panasonic, and Tascam to name a few. The Mackie is an analog board and works fine with tape machines and outboard processors, but you will not be able to get the full advantage of your software with an analog board.
What I would recommend is that you visit a LOT of studio web sites, especially the ones who provide equipment lists. Keep track of the most commonly used equipment by type, (reverb units, compressors, etc.) Then go to the vendors sites of the ones that are most common (Lexicon, Eventide, etc.) There you will find specs for the gear.
Whatever you decide, I wish you luck.
I read your posts and agree with the others that you will need to spend a lot of time studying. I noticed that you are thinking about the Mackie 24x8, yet earlier on you said that you want to use a computer to record. Trust me, this is not the best combination.
If you want to use a computer, there are some cosoles that were made to integrate with your software, they are made by Focusrite, Panasonic, and Tascam to name a few. The Mackie is an analog board and works fine with tape machines and outboard processors, but you will not be able to get the full advantage of your software with an analog board.
What I would recommend is that you visit a LOT of studio web sites, especially the ones who provide equipment lists. Keep track of the most commonly used equipment by type, (reverb units, compressors, etc.) Then go to the vendors sites of the ones that are most common (Lexicon, Eventide, etc.) There you will find specs for the gear.
Whatever you decide, I wish you luck.
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DannyD
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I am thinking of recording from 16-24 track in my studio. I will be recording through my computer. Sonic Misfit says I should look into other console that would not be the Makie 24:8bus, should I look into a digital console.
Roel
That SMART guy.
I'm with the others on this... Write a huge reply to this thread with every single piece of gear you have, a description of your studio at the moment, ... Also what computer do you have?
Don't underestimate the cost of decent mics etc. Get good convertors and clock.
And how far do you wanna go with this? The needs of a budget studio are far less than those of a pro-studio. You could go for less possibilities initially but major quality, or more possibilities and less quality...
Not that I will be able to tell you what to buy...
Don't underestimate the cost of decent mics etc. Get good convertors and clock.
And how far do you wanna go with this? The needs of a budget studio are far less than those of a pro-studio. You could go for less possibilities initially but major quality, or more possibilities and less quality...
Not that I will be able to tell you what to buy...
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DannyD
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I am upgrading my computer to a 1.5ghz. The only thing that have is the software. I still have not bought any equitment, that is why I am asking you guys what is good for 10K. The 10K will be just for equitment. I have an idea what to buy, but I want to hear from the best.
P.S
How many out there have this as a business and how many as a hobby?
Peace to all.
P.S
How many out there have this as a business and how many as a hobby?
Peace to all.
frederic
New member
If you want to use your PC as a recorder, sequencer, etc, you need something like an RME hammerfall card, and a mixer. Tascam DM24 for example, connects to the Hammerfall card, and you have a simple studio that will be of quality. Mixer is 3 grand list, and the card lists for 895, both can be had much less with street prices.
Motu has an interface that goes into your PC, and you can connect up to three external boxes. Using cakewalk or Cubase (or something else) for a grand of hardware you can have 24 in, 24 out. For under three grand you have 72 ins and 72 outs of a variety of flavors. Mix on the PC if you like.
Or, you can use an external digital mixer with the Motu, and mix using knobs of you prefer. Tascam, Yamaha and Roland will fit the bill nicely.
Or, you can buy an external recorder (DA38/78/88, Roland VS series, Alesis ADAT series, etc) and a mixer, and simply mix all this to stereo into your PC for mastering.
See why we are asking you questions? There are SO many options.
My studio is for my own use, my own projects, and my own creations. I have made it available in the past for band demos and such to enable more upgrades and purchases. But its main focus is my stuff.
Motu has an interface that goes into your PC, and you can connect up to three external boxes. Using cakewalk or Cubase (or something else) for a grand of hardware you can have 24 in, 24 out. For under three grand you have 72 ins and 72 outs of a variety of flavors. Mix on the PC if you like.
Or, you can use an external digital mixer with the Motu, and mix using knobs of you prefer. Tascam, Yamaha and Roland will fit the bill nicely.
Or, you can buy an external recorder (DA38/78/88, Roland VS series, Alesis ADAT series, etc) and a mixer, and simply mix all this to stereo into your PC for mastering.
See why we are asking you questions? There are SO many options.
DannyD said:
My studio is for my own use, my own projects, and my own creations. I have made it available in the past for band demos and such to enable more upgrades and purchases. But its main focus is my stuff.
sjoko2
New member
If you want to start recording, and invest in a system that will be relatively futureproof, in other words, a system that can be expanded, provide high quality recording on a budget, I would recommend the following.
1. Recording software. Start with SawStudioLite, 36 mono/stereo tracks and 12 output tracks. Cost $1200. Later you can upgrade to the pro bundle for another $1150, which will give you 72/24 tracks.
Likely the best DAW recording software today, with outstanding on-line training and support.
2. A refurbished Dell 1.5 PC with 384 RAM $1100
3. A Lucid ADA 8824 8 channel A/D and D/A converter $1750
4. A Lucid GEN6 clock $450
5. An Allen & Heath WZ 12:2 DX $900. I can hear you guys think, he's lost the few marbles he had already. Now he specs a little console with a DAW. But - the A&H WZ gives you 12 very reasonable preamps and some other very usefull features, so this solution is cheaper than a bank of stand-alone pre's, and better than most budget stand-alone pre's..
6. A Grace 101 preamp, for vocals and those 'special care' high quality recordings. $500
7. A pair of JBL LSR 25's $500
8. CM Automation Motormix DAW control surface $900
9. SCSI hard disk, plus an SCSI CD burner $1000
Thats a total of $7850 for a system capable of VERY HIGH QUALITY recording, with about $2000 left for wiring and microphones, enough to get you started.
Its also a system I'd be glad to make a record on, without any problems.
1. Recording software. Start with SawStudioLite, 36 mono/stereo tracks and 12 output tracks. Cost $1200. Later you can upgrade to the pro bundle for another $1150, which will give you 72/24 tracks.
Likely the best DAW recording software today, with outstanding on-line training and support.
2. A refurbished Dell 1.5 PC with 384 RAM $1100
3. A Lucid ADA 8824 8 channel A/D and D/A converter $1750
4. A Lucid GEN6 clock $450
5. An Allen & Heath WZ 12:2 DX $900. I can hear you guys think, he's lost the few marbles he had already. Now he specs a little console with a DAW. But - the A&H WZ gives you 12 very reasonable preamps and some other very usefull features, so this solution is cheaper than a bank of stand-alone pre's, and better than most budget stand-alone pre's..
6. A Grace 101 preamp, for vocals and those 'special care' high quality recordings. $500
7. A pair of JBL LSR 25's $500
8. CM Automation Motormix DAW control surface $900
9. SCSI hard disk, plus an SCSI CD burner $1000
Thats a total of $7850 for a system capable of VERY HIGH QUALITY recording, with about $2000 left for wiring and microphones, enough to get you started.
Its also a system I'd be glad to make a record on, without any problems.
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DannyD
New member
sjoko2 thank you for all your information. I thank all of you for the information. I see now that I really need to look into what I need and what I want. I was thinking the I could setup a console like mackie up with my computer and also with a digtial record an get something good.
The first step that I will take is to build my studio.
I will continue ask all of you for more information and ideas.
Peace to all.
The first step that I will take is to build my studio.
I will continue ask all of you for more information and ideas.
Peace to all.
Scriabin
New member
what makes this saw software so wonderful as compared to other apps out there? the interface looks kinda shitty and the website is second rate. is the price justifiable?
sjoko2
New member
Scriabin - how do you rate the Neve, Amek, SSL and Studer websites? There high end consoles can reach over a million - they must have the best websites on the planet!!??
How good is it? I'd say the software beats any other DAW hands-down, including Pro Tools, Nuendo, Paris etc. If I would record just for myself, rather than for third parties requiring us to use an industry standard system, I'd use SAW, which has multiple advantages over any other systems, and is as bomb proof a system there is.
By the way, I have used it, as well as just about every other high end system, my opinion is not hear say. The price? For per dollar value I rate it the cheapest pro system there is.
How good is it? I'd say the software beats any other DAW hands-down, including Pro Tools, Nuendo, Paris etc. If I would record just for myself, rather than for third parties requiring us to use an industry standard system, I'd use SAW, which has multiple advantages over any other systems, and is as bomb proof a system there is.
By the way, I have used it, as well as just about every other high end system, my opinion is not hear say. The price? For per dollar value I rate it the cheapest pro system there is.
kristian
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just looking...
http://www.digitalpostproduction.com/2001/07_jul/features/Saw/saw_newprod.htm
but still, $1200? HOMErecoring.com, logic comes with your $500 delta 1010, that $700 goes to a nice mic or pre, or a combo of both.. which is better?
http://www.digitalpostproduction.com/2001/07_jul/features/Saw/saw_newprod.htm
but still, $1200? HOMErecoring.com, logic comes with your $500 delta 1010, that $700 goes to a nice mic or pre, or a combo of both.. which is better?
sjoko2
New member
Kristian - with due respect, my answer was relevant to the question, which was the best possible system within a 10K budget.
If you ask which is better - naturally the system described is multiple times better. But, split it off in components, compare the specifications of Logic with that of SAW, compare that of the I/O I described with a Delta 1010
If you ask which is better - naturally the system described is multiple times better. But, split it off in components, compare the specifications of Logic with that of SAW, compare that of the I/O I described with a Delta 1010