I have a bigger challenge for home recordists!

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Continuing on from my successful thread

'can anyone mix my track?'

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=282245

I have a new challenge or at least a discussion about how this could be achieved.

Here is my idea.

I feel I compose decent songs, at least many people tell me so.

Well, I have a great song already arranged an composed.

Arrangement pretty much nailed with simple chord structure and open to interpretation.

What if there was some sort of co-operative from day one to record and mix this song with track contributions from members of this great forum, which is always alive and busy and people here know their stuff.

The song I'm proposing is at my website in only basic acoustic form on a youtube video.
Never Let A Good Thing Slip Away
http://www.gordonadamsmusic.com/

Many years has passed and I havent yet had the time to attempt a recording although I believe it deserves one.

Surely there are musicians, guitarists, programmers and singers here that could submit tracks for the mixers here to get their hands on and eventually produce an amazing track? What a story that would be?

Even the mixers here could have a say in how it is constructed?

The only condition would be that the arrangement, words and chords stays fixed, avoiding any confusion with those issues.

Is digital recording software able to conform to this proposal?

There must be resources, perhaps i could provide to allow upload and download of individual tracks and it would probably take many months to complete.

I know this would benefit me but also whatever musicians and sound engineers here would benefit too?

Never let a good thing slip away is a moody track with a lot of scope for sound, ...mean, sad or uplifting.

Saying that, maybe theres another song someone has that has bigger appeal?

Interested to know your thoughts on this idea?
 
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If you can post a .wav file so it can be imported into a sequencer, it would make it a lot easier for people to experiment.]

If you do that, I'll try and have a go. I'd enjoy having a go something like that. It'll be a nice change not to have to do any full-on writing or structural arrangements, and just experiment with someone elses work.

That said, I'm a rather flakey and unpredictable individual, so don't hold me to it. And I can't guarantee that you'd like the result.

But yeah, as I say, a .wav, preferably lined up on a sequencer, and some information about tempos would make it a lot easier to play with. :)

Anyway, I'm at work at the moment, so I can't even listen to it on youtube, but I'll have a listen later and see if anything comes to mind.
 
I would be interested in this project . . . but I'd rather not be bound to conforming to arrangement, words or chords . . . the very conditions you'd like to see unchanged.

What I would be interested in is getting the source guitar and source vocal tracks separately as WAVs . . . actually, for the purpose of the exercise I could get by with MP3s.

I would then let the song take me where my mind says it wants to go . . . which may be a different place to what you have in mind.

However, I'm just as flakey and unpredictable as legionserial . . . and it's possible that the song will send my mind nowhere.
 
Yep....and I'm the same as the other two above. I had a mess with it the other night...I got a nice little piano going played live against the youtube vid but after recording the audio(from the vid) and loading it into my DAW, I found the problem I knew I was gonna find...that is, the timing is roughly around 72bpm but of course, you didn't play to a metronome and so there's no way to keep my DAW in time...which a project like this needs.

I mean if you had some sort of electronic beat keeping you in time, then I could sequence an initial track aswell as creating a track with the tap of a hi-hat to keep other musicians in time etc.

Another thing...it's a pain picking out the chords....A-G-A-G-D or something I can't remember but ideally, I'd rather not have that hassle...it's easier to jam along to the song if I have the chord sequence infront of me. We need to learn the song as we jam to it rather than trying to learn the song and then recording without any reference.

So if it's possible to re-record it...just audio will do(and quality doesn't matter), then I'm sure alot more would be interested cause just like 'Soul motion'...it has great potential.
If you ain't got a metronome...just let me know and I'll record you that hi-hat tap as a mono track that you can use. Just like most things in life...if we aint all working to the same pulse, there can be no synchronization.
 
Hi I was away for a week...just rejoined this thread.

I see your point about timing.......thats what I wanted to know......like building the foundations correctly.

I think it's pretty well arranged as far as the song goes.

I'll have a think about what to do.

I'll be back.
 
I'm in class right now, I'll check it out when I get home but I play drums for a bunch of bands and I'm always down to lay some stuff down.
 
If I read & interpret you correctly you have the progression and structure but no fixed arrangement.
That might make the offer more enticing.
You ought to post this in a more appropriate forum though. This doen't really conform to mixing or mastering.
 
I have been asked to move this thread here, although. The song is written, what we have here is a project to learn how to record and collaborate, so everyone can get involved.

Continuing on from my successful thread

'can anyone mix my track?'

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=282245

I have a new challenge or at least a discussion about how this could be achieved.

Here is my idea.

I feel I compose decent songs, at least many people tell me so.

Well, I have a great song already arranged an composed.

Arrangement pretty much nailed with simple chord structure and open to interpretation.

What if there was some sort of co-operative from day one to record and mix this song with track contributions from members of this great forum, which is always alive and busy and people here know their stuff.

The song I'm proposing is at my website in only basic acoustic form on a youtube video.
Never Let A Good Thing Slip Away
http://www.gordonadamsmusic.com/

Many years has passed and I havent yet had the time to attempt a recording although I believe it deserves one.

Surely there are musicians, guitarists, programmers and singers here that could submit tracks for the mixers here to get their hands on and eventually produce an amazing track? What a story that would be?

Even the mixers here could have a say in how it is constructed?

The only condition would be that the arrangement, words and chords stays fixed, avoiding any confusion with those issues.

Is digital recording software able to conform to this proposal?

There must be resources, perhaps i could provide to allow upload and download of individual tracks and it would probably take many months to complete.

I know this would benefit me but also whatever musicians and sound engineers here would benefit too?

Never let a good thing slip away is a moody track with a lot of scope for sound, ...mean, sad or uplifting.

Saying that, maybe theres another song someone has that has bigger appeal?

Interested to know your thoughts on this idea?
 
Here are the guide wav files

Taking advice from Mart[1001]
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=282815

I've constructed a simple guide drum, vox and guitar
each is a separate wav file that can be dumped into most digital music software

each has the same starting point and they are recorded at 44.1 hz 16 bit

These files are ready to download at http://www.mp3cart.co.uk/neverletagoodthingslipaway.zip

There's also a lyrics and chord guide.

So now anyone can download an construct a backing track and hopefully we can build on it.

There really are no rules...well apart from my lyrics, I'd rather they not get changed.

I dont know how all this will pan out, but it might be fun.
 
Cybergord

I've been messing with some piano. This is very rough and take into account that it's raw straight from my DAW, no mixing, no EQing, compression or anything.

Also...this is just the first verse and chorus...I just wanted to post what I've been doing so far to see what you think before I continue with it.

I've posted three files...the piano with your wav's
the same mix but without the vocal
and a mix of just the piano....

oh yea also, while I was messing, I found what I feel is a natural place for a very high string...and so I added that too...what d'ya think ?
http://1001music.co.uk/temp/neverletagoodthing.htm


Mart.
 
cybergord said:
Taking advice from Mart[1001]
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=282815

I've constructed a simple guide drum, vox and guitar
each is a separate wav file that can be dumped into most digital music software

each has the same starting point and they are recorded at 44.1 hz 16 bit

These files are ready to download at http://www.mp3cart.co.uk/neverletagoodthingslipaway.zip

There's also a lyrics and chord guide.

So now anyone can download an construct a backing track and hopefully we can build on it.

There really are no rules...well apart from my lyrics, I'd rather they not get changed.

I dont know how all this will pan out, but it might be fun.
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I've started messing around with it . . . I like the song, and I think you've latched onto a nice hooky chorus.

One thing distrubes me though . . . it seems I'm getting a bit of tuning tension between my keyboards and your guitar. This is no big deal . . . I can work around it.

Just clarify that BPM = 88?

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gecko zzed said:
I've started messing around with it . . . I like the song, and I think you've latched onto a nice hooky chorus.

One thing distrubes me though . . . it seems I'm getting a bit of tuning tension between my keyboards and your guitar. This is no big deal . . . I can work around it.

Just clarify that BPM = 88?

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I had that problem before with a collab. The guitar was slightly out of tune, and the intonation on my bass was off. :eek:

I recommend that you retrack the guitar in tune, Gordon. It will make things a bit easier for all involved...
 
gecko zzed said:
I've started messing around with it . . . I like the song, and I think you've latched onto a nice hooky chorus.

One thing distrubes me though . . . it seems I'm getting a bit of tuning tension between my keyboards and your guitar. This is no big deal . . . I can work around it.

Just clarify that BPM = 88?

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gecko...BPM=80 and yes I too had to tune my piano sampler forward a few cents to compensate for the guitar.

Mart.
 
ah....Ive gone and screwed up again, i dont even use a digital tuner!, Im so unprofessional.

But cant we lock it down with a temporary bass or chords midified?....I really have to lose my guitar.

Besides Mart1001....I think youve got something with those keys, they sound really good, it will give it great atmosphere. Still need to give it some rocknroll and not tone it down too much.

What shall I do? start agian with guitar?

I know this is going to sound so sweet.

Thanks
 
cybergord said:
ah....Ive gone and screwed up again, i dont even use a digital tuner!, Im so unprofessional.

But cant we lock it down with a temporary bass or chords midified?....I really have to lose my guitar.

Besides Mart1001....I think youve got something with those keys, they sound really good, it will give it great atmosphere. Still need to give it some rocknroll and not tone it down too much.

What shall I do? start agian with guitar?

I know this is going to sound so sweet.

Thanks
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Dude, if you like...I could supply you with an audio file of orchestra tuned notes so you can tune your guitar to concert pitch...you know, a clear tone of individual e,a,d,g,b,e ?
Not that it matters much to me though cause as I said earlier...I just tune my sound to reach yours, though in todays digital world, it's much better to have a song in 'A' which is actually 'concert A'...compared to how it used to sound when we used record players that all wonked about at different speeds :D
on saying that though...a google revealed loads of online guitar tuners.

I haven't touched it since the other night as I wanted to see what you think first. That was basic piano chording but for the second verse, I was thinking of going more for flowery type stuff(like piano equivalent to finger picking)...what do you think?
Though I reckon it's a good idea for anyone involved, to create a couple of tracks of the same instrument(in different styles), so there is a lot of scope for piecing together a final arrangement.

...and just for the record(to other musicians), of course I can supply what I've done so far or any future recordings, in any key, at any de-tuned pitch and at any tempo, it's just a matter of tweaking a few knobs but I think the sooner we all get in tune(concert pitch), the better.

Mart.
 
cybergord said:
ah....Ive gone and screwed up again, i dont even use a digital tuner!, Im so unprofessional.

But cant we lock it down with a temporary bass or chords midified?....I really have to lose my guitar.

Besides Mart1001....I think youve got something with those keys, they sound really good, it will give it great atmosphere. Still need to give it some rocknroll and not tone it down too much.

What shall I do? start agian with guitar?

I know this is going to sound so sweet.

Thanks
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I would retrack. Like Mart said, it sounds better to have everything in tune, than to have everyone mess with a pitch shifter. Bumping it a few cents here and there, and no one will bump it the same... you get the idea.
 
Rokket said:
I would retrack. Like Mart said, it sounds better to have everything in tune, than to have everyone mess with a pitch shifter. Bumping it a few cents here and there, and no one will bump it the same... you get the idea.
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Hang on....I have an idea !
 
Ok guys,
What I've done(as some of you would have guessed), is to take the original guitar and vocal and I've pitched them down slightly(without affecting rate/tempo), to make them fit more in natural tune. It's not perfect but at least it allows you something to work with and remember, these two tracks are only guides anyway and can be scrapped from the project once we have some working foundations.

Cyberborg, you might want to download it and update your own link or at least edit your previous post to stop people downloading the old one but note...this file doesn't contain the drum track as it wasn't necessary to include it and make a bigger d-load.

Anyway, here's the link:-
http://www.wikifortio.com/539505/a good thing(re-tuned).zip
Just click the download button. I've put a 2 week timelimit on the file though.

Of course if in the mean time Cyberborg, you have already retracked the guitar...it doesn't matter. Just let me know and I'll delete this etc.

Mart.

Edit:-ps...this is my 50th post and I finally get my rep. Now I just need some of you guys to top it up for me. :) hehe
 
Thanks Mart1001 great idea......I'll download yours and update my zip
 
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