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Mox

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I'm having problems with the definitions of a couple of things...

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1)MDF...did someone mention that this is like particleboard?
2) Resiliant chanel...is this esentialy a bracket that ellivates the board?


(here's one for yah) What else don't I know?!

If I'm attaching a celiling in my basement to the floor joists, and if I use what I think are the definitions...is it, braket, 5/8 drywall-particleboard-1/2 drywall?

Is there application specific layers or insulation that would work better than the stuff I get at Home Depot, or is all in how you hang normal supplies that gives you the best results?

please help me clear my head!
Mox!

PS As some one who has been to the club "The Station" and almost went to the Great White show that ended in the death of 97 people, I suggest everyone go tear down your spraypainted mattress pads your using as sound treatment and get yourself some fire retardent "real" treatments...all it takes is one simple mistake.
 
MDF - Medium Density Fiber board. AKA; particle board

Resiliant Channel - A "bracket" of sorts; this long channel lifts the drywall off of the stud frame and keeps the entire wall from resonating.

For finishing the wall or ceiling I would go RC, Strand Board rather than MDF, 5/8"dw, 1/2"dw. Although with a wall/ceiling section that heavy, I'm not sure the RC is required. Be sure to seal each layer of wall, and over lap the seams in the drywall.

Insulation - The heavier the better. Most people like to use RockWool. It's very heavy (something like 8lbs per cu. ft.) and denser than something like R39 insulation.
 
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Can I also check something?

Is "drywall" the same as "sheetrock", "gyp board", "gypsum board", "plasterboard" ?

From context, it seems so -- people throw the words in interchangeably ... is that right? There could be an element of UK<->US speak going on here ...

Mike.
 
mjbee said:
Can I also check something?

Is "drywall" the same as "sheetrock", "gyp board", "gypsum board", "plasterboard" ?
Mike.
Yep. Same thing. Sheetrock is a brand name.
Gyp Board, and Gypsum Board are older generic terms used when gypsum was the main ingredient in drywall.
Plaster board; likewise when plaster was the main ingredient.
Drywall is (in my neck of the woods) the generic term most often used.
 
since we are talking about names....

Does anyone know the US name for fiberboard that John Sayers...talks about all the time (Not MDF). The one that he uses for the bass hangers.

Let me know.

Cheers,

Luis.
 
Does anyone know the US name for fiberboard that John Sayers...talks about all the time (Not MDF

yeah - I want to know this one too :):) In Aussiland we call it canite but I think that's brand name. I think I've seen it refered to as Soft Fibreboard.

It's a soft fibreboard that is commonly used as a notice board. It is painted white on one side and you can stick drawing pins into it easily for posting notices.

cheers
john
 
HA HA!!!!!!!!! I feel so much better!!!!!!!!!

thanks gang!

any other ceiling tips out there? There seems to be so much data, that it's hard to find "one" way (which I guess is good). I'm putting a recording room in the basement that will take alot of volume (I'm a drummer first)...I'm not going to play at night, I just need to be respectfull to the other people in my house (a.k.a. wife and kids).

Michael, what's "strand board"? I'm psyched I now know what MDF is but you pulled a swicheroo on me!
 
Strand board is kinda like plywood with out the plys. It's made up of flakes or strands of wood that are pressed and glued together. It's used a lot for the decking on roofs and actually works better because there are no plys to separate.
 
John Sayers said:
yeah - I want to know this one too :):) In Aussiland we call it canite but I think that's brand name. I think I've seen it refered to as Soft Fibreboard.

It's a soft fibreboard that is commonly used as a notice board. It is painted white on one side and you can stick drawing pins into it easily for posting notices.

cheers
john
The only thing I can think of is called Homasote, again, a brand name.
Check out the 440 Sound Barrier.
 
I clicked on the Homasote "where do I buy" and was sad when it showed "0.0 miles to nearest dealer" thinking they don't sell in the North East...no, that meant they sell it at the Mom and Pop place at the bottom of the hill!!!!!!!!!!

Now that I can get it, where do I put it?
 
I don't know much about the product, but I'd guess it could go in place of the strand borad, or sandwich it between the two layers of drywall.
 
I think Michael is right about it being Homasote. It is a soft fiberous board that can be cut with a knife (scored and broken). I have seen it used in studios here for bass trap hangers wrapped in dacron. It is available at the Home Depot near me (the one in Nashua) and goes for $11.00 for a 4'x8' sheet.

Kevin.
 
I found it at my Home Depot for $16 a sheet (Bellingham) but right next to it was a Dow sound board, same size for $6! Now thats porn-a-rific!
 
John Sayers said:
yeah - I want to know this one too :):) In Aussiland we call it canite but I think that's brand name. I think I've seen it refered to as Soft Fibreboard.

It's a soft fibreboard that is commonly used as a notice board. It is painted white on one side and you can stick drawing pins into it easily for posting notices.

cheers
john

is that the same as Hard Board, a thin brown board smooth one side and rough fiber like on the other side, Its like compressed card board.
 
Hello, I believe the Dow soundboard is called that exactly. Sound board
Its a real light weight fiberous panel, that is very fragil, as you can break it with your hand. They used to use it exposed for SOUND absorption, hence the name, and prior to the new foams and aualux type rubber seals, was use as various types of narrow strips for under wall plates, between floating floors and walls, etc. etc. Probably didn't work that good. Seems kind of weird under wall plates, but I have an OLD studio construction book that called for it. I've seen it specified for a layer behind or in between two layers of sheetrock. But if I'm not mistaken, thats a triple leaf and shouldn't be used that way, but I'm no expert. Cheap maybe.

Next is some similar stuff, with 1 compressed face that is sealed with a white primer and is called Celotex.(correct me on that if wrong, its been long time since I used it,)Comes 1/2"x 4'x8' Lightweight, bullitin board stuff, sucks though, cork is better. Cheap.

Next is homosote. Grey color. 1/2" thick. usually available 4'x8' Much heavier, and I would think it would be better than soundboard, if used behind sheetrock. Again, I'm no expert on the STC stuff. Or vibration vs stiffness principals. Can also be used as absorbers, like John said, but having used it for other applications, I don't know how good it would be for that application. Usually covered with fabrics I would think, 703 would be better. Maybe I'm full of shit. We used it for fabric covered pads for showcases. Not so cheap.

Next, OBS, or wafferboard. Like ply, but no discriminate layers, as it is wood chips layered in horizontal orientation, in 360 degree pattern, is VERY strong, and is used for a myrad of construction applications, from roofs, walls, floors, forms, structural engineered beams, truss's, and many others. 3/8",7/16", 1/2",3/4" and 1 1/4". Usually 4 x 8 panels, although I beleive its available in other sizes on a special order basis.

Next Ply. Well, you could write a book. You know what it is. A million sizes, grades, some with a variety of species as face veneers etc etc etc. One type worth mentioning is Luan ply. 1/8" to 1/4". Used for curved stuff such as polycyldrical diffusers, membrane absobers and many other things. Some comes with a face veneer. Core is italian poplar.

Next Masonite. 1/8" to 3/8". Usually 1/4". One sided smooth with dimples on rear face is called Tempered 1 side. Light brown, 4 x 8. Pegboard is usually machined from this, or you can get it plain. Used for many things. Econo drawer bottoms, cabinet backs, etc.

Next Masonite double tempered. Dark brown, almost redish ebony. 1/8" to 1/4", smooth and hard. Sometimes refered to as hardboard. Used for any number of things , like cheap imitation tile for bathrooms etc, quality drawer bottoms and cabinet backs, cubby hole cabinet accessorieds, dividers, etc. 4' x 8', although 4' x 10' is available.
Great stuff for templates, prototypes, etc.

Next- Particle Board. Made from saw dust, chips and epoxy. Comes in 1/4", 3/8",1/2",11/16", 3/4" 1", usually 4 x 8, but available up to 5' x 12' Used for econo construction and cabinetry, underlayment, countertops, millwork with plastic laminate finishes, etc. etc. Usually found in cheap furniture the world over. Crappy for screwing into the edge. Good face strength. Comes in sheets with printed wood grains etc or plain. Gives off fomaldihyde fumes sometimes. UGGGGGGHHH!! Good gluing qualitys on edge if in dados and face to face.

Next GOOD OLE MDF. Ha. My favorite.(besides hardwoods!) comes 1/4" to 1 1/2" thick. 4' x 8', 4' x 10', 5' x 12' to a whopping 5' x 16' on special order(3/4" only).
Made from fine sawdust and epoxy. Ultra smooth faces. Machines very nice. Was developed for painted finishes as the edges require very little sanding, and comes natural or with a Melamine finish 1 or 2 sided, which is like a very thin laminate, which is thermofused to the face. Can be ordered with a million different veneers, laminates, chemetals, etc. Great gluing qualitys, but screwing to it requires a tapered pilot hole as the screw fractures the epoxy bonds. Terrible edge screwing on 3/4", MUSt HAVE PILOT HOLE, and long screws, as without it, will split very easily on edge. NO compressino of fibers.
Used on fine store fixtures, furniture, cabinetry, walls, floors(with a veneer of real wood or laminate wood finishes) andgreat for monitor enclosure if 1 1/2" is used:D

Just looked at a couple of unusual things at HOME DEPOT today, one is a 1/4' panel, 4' x 4, that is fireproof, cement board, for tile underlayment, woodstove pads, etc. REAL heavy and strong. Stiff too. I don't know how you could use it in studios. Expensive too. Any suggestions? I use a piece of it for a temporary barriar to flamable backgrounds when I solder copper pipe in walls etc with a propane torch. Works GREAT.

And last, a form of siding panel, that feels like double tempered masonite, but much heavier is 7'16" thick, with embossed woodgrains. Comes like 1x dimensional lumber
also. Seems like for mass, it would be better than MDF for walls, maybe behind sheetrock, but I don't know. HEAVY shit though.

Well, thats about it. Unless you want to get into lumber, gluelams etc.:D Hope that helps
fitz:)
 
Rick Fitz sez:
And last, a form of siding panel, that feels like double tempered masonite, but much heavier is 7'16" thick, with embossed woodgrains. Comes like 1x dimensional lumber

Heck Rick at 7 feet 16 inches thick it should be heavy!! :p :D :D

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Kevin.
 
GAWD, typos' are my undoing:D Thats funny. What a moron. I should know better than to type a long reply, after digging a hole in a concrete slab to fix a leaky pipe. I didn't finish till late last night and was dead beat! Sorry, should have been 7/16", as if you didn't know:D
fitz
 
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