I actually laughed when I read this ....

[A Reel Person]

acorec: You're just the troll of the hour,... not the first, and not the last.

I've not heard anyone ask your advice, directly, and I surely haven't asked for it.

On the other hand, people ask my advice about the home recording oriented units I'm familar with all the time, and I'm happy to give it to them, from my own perspective. Whether they follow my advice, or put any creedence in it is up to them. Whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant to me.

From the word "go", acorec's been (para) "I've got my 2" and your (named device here) ain't shit" attitude, post after post. You can spout all you want, but I'm not impressed. You're just a bbs troll, with a well established track record of trolling.

Troll-on!

 

[A Reel Person]

Reel has now taken to jumping on me for no reason on other BBS:s. I posted in another forum, and he immediatelly pounced and declared the post useless and unhelpful and told me I always post *only* to hear my own voice.

Of course, HIS posts in that same thread (there are now three of them) is nothing but personal attacks on me. Which, of course, we all realize is AMAZINGLY helpful to the topic. Right?

His hate-campaign towards me has reached pathetic proportions.

What is this, a pity party?

 

[acorec]

I've not heard anyone ask your advice, directly, and I surely haven't asked for it.

On the other hand, people ask my advice about the home recording oriented units I'm familar with all the time, and I'm happy to give it to them, from my own perspective. Whether they follow my advice, or put any creedence in it is up to them. Whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant to me.

From the word "go", acorec's been (para) "I've got my 2" and your (named device here) ain't shit" attitude, post after post. You can spout all you want, but I'm not impressed. You're just a bbs troll, with a well established track record of trolling.

Troll-on!

There is where you are a loser. You have it in for anyone with something or an opinion that is different from yours. You are a sad pathetic little shithead.

You can live in your world of toys, but you might have forgot to pay the Beatles a few $$ in royalties for the sad renditions of their songs. Tisk, Tisk, me and my 2" have not done that.

 

[acorec]

Reel has now taken to jumping on me for no reason on other BBS:s. I posted in another forum, and he immediatelly pounced and declared the post useless and unhelpful and told me I always post *only* to hear my own voice.

Of course, HIS posts in that same thread (there are now three of them) is nothing but personal attacks on me. Which, of course, we all realize is AMAZINGLY helpful to the topic. Right?

His hate-campaign towards me has reached pathetic proportions.

Ahh, Reel Pinhead is into porta-studios, you MUST realize what a loser buys more than 1 in their lifetime. He is like a stamp collector pouring over all the specs of a fuck'in cassette based hunk. He must have really shot his load when he tried a 388. A reel to reel, finally! He left his mommma's teat after that one thinking he was a man finally.

 

[A Reel Person]

Tsk, tsk,...

a troll will always be a troll.

 

[acorec]

a troll will always be a troll.

And a criminal will always be a criminal. Some people steal software, you steal songs. Sad.

 

[A Reel Person]

Trolling on a bbs is sad!

...................

 

[acorec]

...................

Playing with little recording toys is sad. Like Barbie dolls are next for you.

 

[regebro]

I like portastudios too. My Yahama MT2X kicks ass. It wasn't until I bought my Tascam mixer that I got better results, really.

 

[acorec]

I like portastudios too.

Yeah, but it is so much fun to kill reel puker with all the insults. I never bugged him, but he had nothing to ever say that did not denegrate into "Dave is right and better" and trash all digital recording. He does not realize that he is a one-sided pea brain who cannot hold a conversation, he just makes statements and moves on, and if you don't agree with him, you are an idiot or whatever. Then when all he has is "acorec is an a-hole" because I have a 2" recorder. just means he is a jealous twat. He does the same to Han and a number of others. He desperately wants to upgrade, but his penis size won't allow him. A 7" reel looks better in proportion to his manhood than a 10 1/2". So, to all users of porta-studios, I take bach what I said about them. I just think that Dave is a superficial mother's son who has yet to understand that his opinion is not the only opinion on the face of the Earth.

 

[A Reel Person]

acorec's never had anything to say, except "My 2" kicks your ass",...

whether it was relevant to the question, or not. (typically not).

acorec's proven himself to be an asshole, by incessant trolling on this board, not just of me, of everyone on every post he touches.

You're a real class act, trollboy! Keep it up! You've got a stellar reputation on this bbs from all this trolling, I'm sure! Who do you think you're intimidating, anyway?

 

[A Reel Person]

Aah, so Lord acorec has spoken!

So it shall be written; so it shall be done!.......................

 

[regebro]

acorec's never had anything to say, except "My 2" kicks your ass",...

which obviously is about twice as much as you have to say. But hey, since you are so bent on proving that you are a brainless twat, who am I to stop you...

 

[Hi_Flyer]

man, you guys are frickin' harsh.

 

[Dr ZEE]

man, you guys are frickin' harsh.

hah,
yeah... this is a 'natural phase'... after everybody have said what they had to say and everybody had enough whiskey ... it's simply time for conclusion...
Action:

Conversation goes like this:
- Now, digitize this - bang!!!!!!!
-Oh, yeah? Feel for REAL this - punch!!!!!

t's wild west, baby

....

 

[Beck]

Hi - I've read this thread with interest (and some disappointment).

I was at one of my client's today - I work in IT. They are a digital studio, just a small operation, with a mixture of Aardvark/Audition and Protools gear (they are currently transitioning a lot of stuff to Protools).

We were talking about various issues, and got on to the digital/analogue thing. I am not an analogue purist, but my wife plans to record a CD soon and I'm looking at laying the drums and bass down on a TSR-8, then moving them into Audition to do the rest. What we got to - and its already been discussed in this thread - is that it really doesn't matter too much. In most cases the choice of mics, offboard gear and the skills of the musicians, engineer and other aspects matter a lot more than the technology used to record it.

Both digital and analogue have issues. Analogue adds a pleasant distortion to the signal and other artifacts that can make it sound warm. It adds tape hiss that may be a problem (listen to U2's album October - Steve Lilywhite loved his compression, and it really brings out the hiss).

Digital does not have perfect resolution, so it introduces its own distortion through approximation - although at 24 bit its really not too bad. It can sound sterile due to the lack of the distortion you get through analogue. But on the other hand with the right tools you don't loose quality with multiple copies etc.

One issue I have read a lot about (including here, from people I respect) is the apparent lack of quality in current music - especially chart stuff. I believe that this has a lot more to do with aggressive mastering, marketing and lack of talent than the fact that its recorded digitally.

A couple of years ago I read a very interesting article by Bob Orban and Frank Fotti (its referenced here). Bob and Frank represent companies who make two of the most popular broadcast processors on the market - the Orban Optimod range and the Cutting Edge omnia range. In the article they address a problem occurring more and more in broadcast - overly aggressive mastering leading to clipping or excessive limiting on tracks destined for airplay. In much the same way that some FM broadcasters process the heck out of everything, it seems that mastering engineers are pushing everything to get that 'hot' or 'loud' (or as I call it, nauseating) sound for their track.

No while a little bit of controlled, distortion-cancelled clipping (as used in units like the Optimod, omnia and my favourite, the Aphex 2020) works nicely for FM, clipping in mastering can sound really harsh and unpleasant. Worse still, put this clipped audio through a broadcast processor and the phase rotation (used to make programme material more symmetrical and easier to process) moves the flat top pretty much anywhere - and makes the product sound like crap.

I believe that in a lot of cases this mastering is what is making modern music sound like rubbish.

Now, here's a disclaimer. I am a qualified Chartered Accountant and work as an IT consultant. I do electronics as a hobby and am on a local broadcasting trust. I am not a musician, I am not a professional sound engineer, and I do not get in to waveform analysis etc. So what I have just said may be complete rubbish . If you disagree with me you may well be right. If you agree, you may be wrong . But this is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

In summary. Analogue good and bad. Digital good and bad. Modern music good and bad. Modern mastering bad. Aphex good. dbx good. Mackie ok. Behringer bad.

Cya
Andrew

Those are great points Andrew. I read the Orban article with interest sometime back concerning the overly hot digital mixes and problems they present for FM broadcasting.

I agree there are a lot of other problems than just the format. That being said, all things being equal, I still have problems with digital technology even when it is done right. I was just reading an article in an old copy of Electronic Musician (Nov 1993). In the article entitled “Naughty Bits” Managing Editor, Michael Molenda, says the following:

“The socialization of digital recording has done more than allow personal recordists to compete with big studio productions; it has also given us the right to complain about the quality of digital sound.

For years, a significant percentage of professional artists, producers and engineers have rebuked what they consider the cold, sterile nature of the digital domain. Now thanks to affordable hard-disk systems and modular digital multitracks (MDMs), such as the Alesis ADAT and Tascam’s DA-88, personal recordists are joining the debate.”

He goes on to recommend ways to make digital sound better with tubes, analog compression and even bouncing to analog tape.

That article is nearly 12 years old and its only one of many I’ve seen before and after in other periodicals including Mix, Recording Engineer/Producer, dB, Music Technology, Recording, and Electronics Now. So the issue is older than more recent abuses in recording technique.

But you are absolutely right about the state of music, mastering techniques and other elements contributing to the objectionable sound. My take though is that it has gone from bad to worse.

It opens up a whole new can of worms because my theory is that the digital format is partly to blame for the music we have today. I see a symbiosis between the reflection people see in the digital mirror and the way artists are making music. In short they have helped each other along in a race to the bottom.

So in the whole chicken/egg continuum I’m not sure which came first, bad music or a bad format. But whichever it is I've never seen music stay so lame for so long in my lifetime.

-Tim

 

[cjacek]

There is nothing that Dave (ARP) said here that deserves the kind of sadistic attitude you have toward him. You guys are horrible. You have sunk low, really low ...

~Daniel

 

[regebro]

There is nothing that Dave (ARP) said here that deserves the kind of sadistic attitude you have toward him.

Bullshit. He spews out insults and personal attacks like Mr Creosote on speed. And why? Because I said that it was possible to make good recordings with digital. This is obviously such a horrendous crime that he even stalks me over to another BBS to insult me there.

So, he fully deserves anything he gets. In fact, he deserves way more than that, but this being the internet, it ain't gonna happen.

 

[A Reel Person]

Flail away, all you want,...

but it's useless mental masturbation. That I've hurled unprovoked insults at you, or that I'm stalking you on the web, shows that you're lapsing into paranoid delusions. Please seek medical attention.

That you've designated yourself as my punisher, is both sad and twisted. A worse case of cyber-balls, there never was. The fact is, that I'd take you apart, piece by piece, if you'd dare to take me on in person.

I've never been one to make indefensible statements, then back away. You must have me confused with someone else.

I've never even trashed digital recording, categorically, but I've certainly said repeatedly it's not for me, and to each their own. Also, I have many detailed posts where I take issue with certain devices, based on actual specs and features, but that's not strictly limited to criticism of digital. To call any of this "religion" is ludicrous.

For all that you've (collectively) accuse me of, not one bit of it is true. I'm not the one who resorts to calling people religious fanatics, (or worse), at the drop of a hat. The users who demonize me are simply projecting their own issues and frustrations onto me. Anyone with a clear head who reads my posts can see that. I'm not the one who provokes, but I'll surely step up to the plate when it's payback time.

For everything I've ever said on this bbs, I have reason to say it, and logic and/or evidence to back me up. That some people may disagree, is all very normal and expected, and does not bother me a bit. I've never claimed infallibility, like some other people on this board. My opinions are not universal truths, like others tend to believe theirs are. If someone disagrees, it's no sweat off my brow, and they may go on their merry way and seek other opinions that they agree with.

That people make sadistic and ridiculous attacks on me, does not impugn my integrity or credibility.

Beyond that, it's my general guideline to not respond to trolls, so beyond pointing out where a troll is being a troll, I'll not respond to further provocation. I prefer my posts to be relevant to the topic, and I won't fall for childish schoolyard-like taunting. Lower yourselves if you want, but I'm above that.

I even reread this entire post, to see what it was that inflamed (named members) so much, and I just don't see it. For whatever poking of fun or teasing I've done to (named members), it obviously hit an exposed nerve in you guys, and you've (both) taken it way over the top.

But, if you think you're schooling me, punishing me, intimidating me, or that I'm losing sleep over your little rants, you're sadly mistaken.

Make a relevant post that's on-topic, and I'll gladly respond. Listen and/or take my advice or not, as you wish, and it's all the same to me.

Flail yourselves out, with all the trolling and provocative posts you want, but it reflects badly on you, not me. People know who are the contributing members on this bbs, and who are the trolls. Your trolling and incessant insults can't change what I do, or the impact I may or may not have on this or any other bbs. You only make yourselves look bad.

 

[regebro]

but it's useless mental masturbation.

Yes, it is, because you don't listen, instead you make up blatant lies like that post was full of. Claiming that you never have come with unprovoced insults? Blatant lie. Trying to say that your unprovoced insults on RP had nothing to do with you being angry at me because of this thread? Blatant lie, and so on...

For whatever poking of fun or teasing

You are not poking fun or teasing, which you know very well. You are INSULTING, and making up lies about people. That is NOT poking fun, that is NOT testing, and your comments are NOT tongue-in-cheek. Claiming that they are is yet another blatant lie.

For all that you've (collectively) accuse me of, not one bit of it is true.

It's all completely and utterly true, from start to finish, and the evidence that you on several occations have seen it fit to ask forgiveness for several of your outbursts show that you are very well aware that you behave like this. Yet, you continue.

You are suffering from some sort of internet version of an anti-social personality disorder. Well, maybe you are like this in person too, I wouldn't know.


From post #27, before I had said anything that can be even remotely construed as even half-provocative:
'Beyond all our "less-intelligent-than-regebro"-perceptions,'
'I know most people don't care what I have to say or think,... especially the "regebro-types".'
'Sorry for the run-on sentences and poor grammatical structure in my post, and I'm sure it's less than "regebro-standard".'
'Beyond that, I'm not one to argue religion or politics on a BBS,... with only a few scattered and minor exceptions, where I've been sucked in by an obvious troller,... (no names!)'
'However, to say that analog recording has become a cult religion, is simply "anti-regebro",... '

None of this is poking fun, or teasing. You are completely unprovoced hurling insult after insult after me. And now you are claiming that you didn't. That is a blatant lie. You even apologised for it in post #40. Which is *at least* the fourth time you apologize for hurling unprovoced insults at me.

And as I said before: No, I'm not forgiving you any more, because it won't be long untill you do it again. You are a lying, loathsome despiccable little asshole of a twat. And that goes into the lists if things that are completely true about you.