HRC: Gimme my damn compressor back you BASTARDS!!!

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You can skip to the song by clicking here and selecting A Brother With Wings. This is mostly a bunch of tech talk that I promised in another thread...

So I got rained out of work again today and figured I better get some vocals done on this idea for the HRC. As if my tired voice wasn't enough to deal with, I gotta battle with no compressor at all on a LD condensor. I don't use a lot of compression on vocals, but none at all? Sheez.. If I stood back too far, I was getting major proximity effect. "Where's the beef?" I asked myself. My solution: Turn the input down on the pre when it's time to yell it out! But it was a great vocal challenge to figure out how to control those dynamics (especially the consonants) and still try give it some ooomph.

Another challenge, since I'm just starting to learn to play bass, was not having any compression on that. I really had to concentrate on my string attack, or the shit would just be pinned...errr, I mean the meter would go red. A lot. So that was good for me.

The acoustic guitars kinda pissed me off without a little compression too. I couldn't keep the noise of my computer out of it. I usually use a 6:1 @ -10dB on my acoustics, with a very fast attack. Fortunately this tune is all finger picked so pick strikes were absent, and it was just a noise floor issue w/o the compressor. Again, sensitive condensors. Good challenge.

My first instinct when setting the levels for this "mix" was to reach for the EQ (I've resisted for now, but I'll be back... ).The vocals during the verses are tripled, in unison that is.. I wanted like a small men's choir happening. With my voice, this made the mix of the song really low-mid heavy! So I know I'll need to carve a little sculpture in that range to get them to play fair. The acoustics (will actually eventually be re-tracked with compression and less room noise but otherwise...) could use a hole in the 500-1k range me thinks. And I think I'd cut some low to low-mids (170-350ish) out of the accompanying clean electrics as well. I don't need their low end; it's the upper mids to highs I want to use them for. The bass will probably want a low end roll-off rising to about 80Hz, a small cut down to around 170Hz and straight up to about 300 @0dB. It sounds like it wants a little string brightness, so maybe a kick up at around 600 and 1K. I would also consider a boost around 6k except that this is a very cheap bass, and I don't like what it does in that range. The major focus here will be in the low mids come mixing time.

Reverb will be interesting on this tune. I'm not sure what I'll do there. I kinda like the barbershop dryness of the harmonies (if I can give them a better performance that is! :eek: ), but part of me wants to go big too. Whatever I do, there probably won't be any long decays...90-100ms should be more than sufficient since there's a fair amount of rhythm to the song. A predelay of 35-45ms should also do it. I may want to roll the reverb highs off at 4k to avoid any prolonging of sibilance here and there...especially with tripled vocals. I must've used an "S" once or twice...I'm sure of it. From there it should just be a matter of what level to mix the reverb in- I'm guessing about 13-15%, but I'll decide that after I clean up the rest of the mess and see what's left for space

So on to the tune I guess

A Brother With Wings
 
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

(still downloading...just showing my appreciation for the thread title.) I hope you had to move some freaking dots around on a screen and triple track your vocals too.
 
QUITCHABITCHIN! That is an excellent song SLuiCe. I am very impressed, as always, with your attention to detail and complexity. The only thing that didn't seem to fit is the snare drum but I don't know much. I would love to hear a full-blown version of this. Great job!
 
Dammit...it's a cool song, too. LOL (no, really, I'm not this petty...I think I'm funny when I do this. I love this...don't verb the life out of it, okay - People said similar comments to me, and they kinda' pissed me off a little, but it's meant as a compliment...I see that now).
 
khomp- ya, go with that one! :)

chris- Thanks a lot dude. It's funny how you've been doing heavier stuff lately, and I've been on this acoustic ballad kick. :) I just noticed that. I did have to do some enveloping on this to lower the vocals in the chorus. I can't do solid sounding high notes without really letting it go from the gut. I managed to keep the clipping to a minimum but needed to lower them a lot to match the verses. I don't mind the "Fuck you's." You mean well. :) Thanks again man.

Scott- I know I'm either going to have to cut some upper mids out of that snare, or maybe use a "snareless" snare drum- turn it off, so to speak. Hey bro thanks for checking it out...glad you dug it.


GODDAM FAN NOISE!!!!!!!!!!

Alright I'll drop it...
 
Isn't this what the challenge is all about? As soon as you try to do your mix you see all your tracking "errors" and are forced to deal with them rather than hide them.

BTW, I loved the dry vox!


Twist
 
Great title. Great song. I love how it starts. The dry vocals were killer. It just seemed to really work. Anywho, great job. rack.
 
You sure opened a can of worms, didn't you? ;)

I don't think this suffers much at all from lack of effects. Acoustics jump out the tiniest bit here and there. It's the drums that hurt the most - snare in particular. I don't know that it's because there's no effects on the drums, or that they are sitting in a drier mix.

It sounds great to me. The second listen is already sounding better than the first. I like your pop-ier style though it's far from pop. I listen to "Perry" everyday.

I'm sure you can make those harmonies sound a little nicer when you grab the eq.

From your description it sounds like the recording process became less than ideal because you knew you wouldn't be able to process things in the mix. I think the question is, do you get a better performance when you are free to just belt it out knowing that you can do minor touch ups later, or do you get a better performance by shooting for perfect while you're tracking? I think the answer varies. But a challange is always good.

Great stuff! I'm digging your mellower style.
 
Sounds pretty clean to me. :p Honestly, I didn't hear anything that demanded "fixing" as far as compression/EQ goes. You did a great job of tracking it, obviously.


And I agree aboot the snare (being the drum nazi that I am.. :p) That's gotta go, or get reincarnated as something much less... uh.... snare-ish. :p


WATYF
 
The doubled/tripled vocals added nice depth. The only time I missed the verb was the vocals that were mixed a little farther back. Nice guitar playing, the accoustics sounded just right to me.
 
Vocals beg for some compression... as per usual, you sing very good.

Canned drums sound CANNED now.. They're usually a lot better.

Accoustic guitar usually (sick of that word) blend in better in the mix.

Listening a secong time...

What I'd like most is a reverb and some compression. In the crappy Philips headphones I'm listening, I only hear solid tracking skills, and I know you have the mixing skills. I believe a lot of your tracking-skills comes with your talent. It's hard to go wrong with your playing and singing.

Keep it up. I'm looking forward to hearing more!


:)
 
Nice tune,acoustics sound good dry.
They have a real,honest feel to them.
Mabey just a little low cut and compression on the louder parts.
They are a good compliment to the vocals and synth.

Pretty darn good for dry man!
Very nice melody and writing.
Good bass playing too.:D

Pete
 
Damn, Sluice - every time you post something I like it better and better. You've really got some cool stuff happening over there. I *love* the harmonies and crazed, Kurt Weill type singing on this one. I'm actually in the minority of people (it seems) who find this "naked" thing a little frustrating (as a listener) because I keep hearing songs where I think "hmm... I'd like to hear that one after it's mixed."

Cause part of mixing is adding the correct amount of eq, vern, compression, etc. Not that I don't get what the idea behind the "challange" is. Just that... well.... most songs with no effects don't sound very good.

BUT (and yes, I haven't totally forgot why I'm posting) this song is both a tune I'm *very* eager to hear the final version of, AND one that sounds pretty damn good dry. You get good sounds and your attention to detail is the kind of obsesssive-compulsive insanity that makes a good recordist. :)

Very good stuff, man.

Chris
 
man......this is so fine.....not to gush but damn.......I think this mght be my favorite tune of yours.......it feels complete somehow......I don't really know how much 'verb it needs 'cause this sounds good....it has that intimate in your face vocal sound.......really nice.
 
Excellent!
Yes yes.........very ground control to major tom Bowie - ish.

It sounds like your singing the harmony parts reversed.

Like slightly delayed but not really. Really cool.
 
Dude.
I would KILL to have you write a 5 song EP of heavier gain-cranked guitar shit in the round about style of Alice in Chains and maybe brew in a little bit (or a lot) of TOOL with it.
Man, I like your stuff a LOT, but I almost feel like you are begging to be set on fire and released into the realm of Mesa Boogie gain and let your aggressions flow, explode, out... I think you would burn some heads if you did. Have you ever heard the entire Alice in Chains CD, Dirt? If not, look into it. I hear so much of that in you, and that album is a classic masterpiece.
Anyway, I'm blown out right now, so dont mind me. Just speaking my honest mind.
Your shit jams. I'm just waiting for that heavy one thats makes me wreck my car and rape a small village.
 
This sounds great. The Sluice bar has been raised pretty high but even on that elevated set of expectations I think this delivers. This is one of the best I've heard I think.

I think the chord changes at 1:11 and 1:33 are excellent and bringing in percussion at 1:52 fits perfect.

This definitely feels like it's live stage to me, like I can imagine actors moving around the stage when the music pulls away from lyrics etc.. I liked the effect of reverb I got on the vocals by having keys very softly continue the note after the vocals stopped.

Great work.
 
tubedude said:
almost feel like you are begging to be set on fire and released into the realm of Mesa Boogie gain and let your aggressions flow, explode, out... I think you would burn some heads if you did.

lol, yeah it probably would but what I would fear is that if Sluice got signed by a major label them fucks would destroy his art and we would end up hearing the guitar sound that everyone else has in these major label controlled bands. God I would hate that!…..Sluice, don’t ever cave in man! Your stuff stands way out from any ML stuff I hear. Now if you could only get paid for this! :D

Wasn’t able to listen to this new one last night but I’m downloading now and can’t wait to hear it.
 
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