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RAMI
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Shit! I tried to change the title of this thread to "How's this Mick's", but it didn't work. Whatever...Just wanted to play with words, I guess I'll just play with myself instead...Excuse, I'll be back in 15 minutes.
Llarion
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Ya know, at first, I was gonna complain about the really wide imaging choices, but as the song built and built, I decided that it really works. And being from St. Petersburg, well, it was nice to hear lyrics you could understand.. 
The drums are really well recorded. Nice and tight playing. The only thing I'd say is that it's apparent that you don't do much post-production, beyond mixing. A little mastering frosting and this would shine even more than it does. It's tight, but the groove is nice and looseygoosey. Lots of personality. Very well done! I'm not even a Stones fan, and I actually hate this song, having had to drone through it every couple of days in a band I was in, but you brought new life to it for me!
The drums are really well recorded. Nice and tight playing. The only thing I'd say is that it's apparent that you don't do much post-production, beyond mixing. A little mastering frosting and this would shine even more than it does. It's tight, but the groove is nice and looseygoosey. Lots of personality. Very well done! I'm not even a Stones fan, and I actually hate this song, having had to drone through it every couple of days in a band I was in, but you brought new life to it for me!
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RAMI
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Llarion said:
I really appreciate your comments and I see that you're listening to alot of stuff tonight and giving people comments...That's really cool. I have to tell you, though, that I do post-production. I take my master into my Pc and use the L1 and a few other things. But I am not into over-production, which I think too many people fall into. So, I actually like the fact that it seems that I under-produce my stuff, I prefer that. Thanx for the listen and the comments, man.
Llarion
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My pleasure. I guess it comes down to choices. Some people like it loose, some like it slick and polished. I tend to favor Steely Dan-like production values, so I tend to have those glasses on when listening. It's all good!
Incidentally, I am set up sort of like you; I use a Korg D1600 hard disl recorder. And, until recently, I was doing a stereo mix, and bringin that into the PC for final mastering. BUt, I've just started using thr D1600 just for acquisition and bringing all individual tracks into Adobe Audition, and MAN, what a difference in control! You should give that a whirl! (Audition is a 30 day fully functioning timebomb...)
Incidentally, I am set up sort of like you; I use a Korg D1600 hard disl recorder. And, until recently, I was doing a stereo mix, and bringin that into the PC for final mastering. BUt, I've just started using thr D1600 just for acquisition and bringing all individual tracks into Adobe Audition, and MAN, what a difference in control! You should give that a whirl! (Audition is a 30 day fully functioning timebomb...)
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RAMI
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I've been tempted now for a while to bring individual tracks into ACID or something in the PC..it's very tempting. But this is just so much easier and faster, which probably isn't the right reason to not do what you're doing. I guess we just have different philosophies and outlooks. As much as I love alot of what bands like Steely Dan has done, I'm more into the rawness of what rock and roll is all about...imperfections, warts and all. But you did make me think, though.
timboZ
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RAMI said:
15 min, you can last longer than me, or is that Canadian time.
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RAMI
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timboZ said:15 min, you can last longer than me, or is that Canadian time.
Oh, did I say minutes??? hehe...yeah, that's what I meant...not seconds...I meant minutes....really.
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madmush
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RAMI said:
It's (not so) hard getting old, eh rami
Well you know i like your music, but for once i'm not convinced. First, choice of cover.... when making a cover, particularly on a famous song, one has to stand in comparison with the original....
First thing that struck me was that (i have to knuckle up to say it) you sing a lot like Jagger here. But without the anger! Same with the backing vox.... There's no ow in the rowdy!.... You can't afford to worry about the guitar getting a scratch here, you gotta hurt that mofo! A bit of Townshend rotation on the arms before you hit the strings!
...and maybe, to keep the crescendo going, i wouldn't have stuck so close to the original.... how about stacking up some more noise?.... a church organ towards the end?
Otherwise, a clear-cut recording as usual.
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RAMI
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madmush said:It's (not so) hard getting old, eh rami
Well you know i like your music, but for once i'm not convinced. First, choice of cover.... when making a cover, particularly on a famous song, one has to stand in comparison with the original....
First thing that struck me was that (i have to knuckle up to say it) you sing a lot like Jagger here. But without the anger! Same with the backing vox.... There's no ow in the rowdy!.... You can't afford to worry about the guitar getting a scratch here, you gotta hurt that mofo! A bit of Townshend rotation on the arms before you hit the strings!
...and maybe, to keep the crescendo going, i wouldn't have stuck so close to the original.... how about stacking up some more noise?.... a church organ towards the end?
Otherwise, a clear-cut recording as usual.
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You kill me,man...You know I'm very humble and always open to suggestions and criticism. But you've already tried to re-write the chord progession of one of my tunes...which was cute. Now you're telling me I'm TOO CLOSE to the original. I thought that would be a compliment, but it sounds like a problem the way you put it. Besides the fact that if you listen to the original, the only time I stay close to it is in the first verse. The rest of the tune is nowhere near the original studio version. The studio version has no drums and no rythm guitar anywhere in the song. There is piano all through the original, mine has none. I have no problem with you comment with the lack of anger,etc....you might be right...But my version totally strays from the original version after the frist chorus. Listen to the Stones version next to mine and you'll see that. But thanx for the comment.
Are you still re-writing my other song????
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madmush
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RAMI said:
haa haa, well i gave you an invaluable suggestion on the other track, and you dissed it
piano?? guitar??? come on! there's no interpretation happening on this cover! i mean, if you look at classic covers, like The Clash doing "I fought the law", see what i mean?... Sid Vicious doing "My way".... you might as well aim high. It's not like you're a tribute band, right?!
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RAMI
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Ok man...Thanx for the advice. I'm not dissing you. I put it up to get opinions and you are definitely entitled to yours. I guess we're just into different music. You see Sid Vicious as an example of "aiming high"...I don't. To each their own.
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VSpaceBoy
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Sounds good to me, I have nothing to add really. I don't really know the original very well to compare to. Only thing about yours that stuck out just a little to me is how dry your (very good) vocals seem. But thats prob just me.
Nicely Done!
Nicely Done!
Supercreep
Lizard People
I really like your arrangements, RAMI. I love the little details.
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RAMI
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Supercreep said:
Thanx alot guys. Hey maybe for my next cover, I'll do a Rick James tune:
"He's a Supercreep Supercreep, he's kinda Creepay...Yow!".
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travelin travis
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very nice cover. it has more of an upbeat feel than the original. i hear that spin doctor thing that supercreep was talking about which i think is due to the rhythm guitars. this tune was definitely a good match for your voice. you play guitar very well for a non guitar player. you and supercreep are the homerecording guru's.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Cheers Rami for tha equipment list. So you dont actually mix in your computer? Ive noticed that sometimes the home recording consoles built in effects can be pretty bad. I have a Boss BR1180CD/R and i wouldnt really use the effects on it apart from a little compression on the way in.
grn
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I feel like the guitars are too... what's the word for it... soft? Not as raw as the original (and panned weird), like this is a kids version remake of it (save for the vocal part which is pretty good)... and I also feel like the backing vocals could be tighter. I like it though and nothing *really* needs to be fixed.
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RAMI
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Thanx alot Travis. I don't know about "guru", and Supercreep's stuff is awesome.
Eck, you're right. I don't use much of the effects in my 2488. They're a bit cheesy. The compressors are pretty good though.
Thanx guys.
Eck, you're right. I don't use much of the effects in my 2488. They're a bit cheesy. The compressors are pretty good though.
Thanx guys.
true-eurt
Maneater
Okay Rami. I must say you do that sooooo well, and your musical accomplishments are proof of that!!!RAMI said:
Thought I was going to get dirty didn't you?
I do hope you spend more than 15 minutes on all your other endeavers though! My bad!
Incanus
Nerd-man
All right!
I finally got around to listening to this one.
Great version of the song. I heard it like you said: it's like the original for the first verse and then digresses (in a good way). I did notice that you used guitar for the piano parts. It works well. The mix sounds great. Its fun to try do keep the original clearly in mind and then play with it a bit.
Anyway, great job!!
I finally got around to listening to this one.
Great version of the song. I heard it like you said: it's like the original for the first verse and then digresses (in a good way). I did notice that you used guitar for the piano parts. It works well. The mix sounds great. Its fun to try do keep the original clearly in mind and then play with it a bit.
Anyway, great job!!