howdy! some new mp3's for you to peruse.....

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Great mix..guitar city....layers of the stuff and I liked it....can't think of a thing to nit pick dammit....gibs
 
THANKS GIBS!
do you think it would be cool to post the home-rec site link on my site?
 
e-mail Dragon....he's the boss...I imagine he'd like it, though....gibs
 
has anyone else listened? i'd like some suggestions on eq's, effects, balances, etc.....
 
has anyone else had a chance to listen?

i'm curious to know what works for you, and what doesn't...
 
Gonzo...
First of all, I really thought the guitarwork was pretty darned good! I'm a sucker for that 80's "over-processed" guitar sound. ;)
Bat's Brew was a really good song. The guitarwork and arrangement were the strongest points of that song. Nice job!
Michael's House was also pretty decent, but Work It Out sounded like it was off to the races from the first note, and I just wasn't in the mood for that at 3:20am
I agree with gibs that the mixes are pretty good, but I didn't like the fact that the vocals were overprocessed.
It's okay that the guitars were overprocessed, but when the overprocessed vocals started up, it seemed like a bit too much. I'd bring up the volume of the drum tracks a bit, too.
Give those tunes some more "thump".
I can tell that you did some hard work on those songs. A couple of minor tweaks could really make a big difference!

Buck
 
THANKS, for the listen buck62......

yeah, i agree with you about the drum volume, overall. i think i tend to keep it at the bottom of the acceptable scale, just because i'm so acutely aware that it is a drum machine.

as far as the comment on the "80's "over-processed" guitar sound".....
i've heard this comment before, you're not the only one, and personally , i just don't understand it....

take the song "bat's brew" for example...

drums:
the drum kit is straight, no compression, with just a hint of reverb. mixed in stereo...

rhythm guitars:
the 4 rhythm guitar parts were all recorded live, with a 57 only, and some subtle compression for taming the peaks, and mostly dry effects, maybe a touch of ambient reverb on one of the 4 tracks... again, no effects.....

the bass, recorded straight through a tube mp, and then through a guitar cab sim in the vs880ex.... no effects....

shaker and tambourine:
straight recording, a touch of reverb on the shaker....

backup vocals:
all straight recording, with a bit of plate...

lead vocal:
straight recording, touch of room reverb.... some pre-delay.....

lead guitar:
ah, here's where all the effects come in. straight recording, a bit of compression on the 57, and a 500ms delay, with maybe 2 repeats.

wow, lots of effect, huh?! :)

the idea here was simply to record it with as pure a sound as i could, with my limited gear, and a touch of reverb or delay to take the edge off. but it's so strange, i've heard this comment before, and i just don't get it. i'm missing something in the translation of "80's "over-processed" guitar sound"......

now, on the "michael's house" song, there is much more processing. that song was an experiment of sorts, i used 2 rhythm tracks that were recorded direct through a processing unit,with flange and distortion and delay, and then re-amped.... that was a cool discovery, on my part...
the solo was straight off my boogie, with my cheapy little delay pedal providing the 500ms delays....
the vocals were effected with distortion, and delay...
bass was straight...

and yes, "work it out" is a pretty aggressive song, and is not for the late night easy listening crowd... but when you're in the rowdy mood, please give it a 2nd listen...

again, it's a straight foward recording, without much effects except for a little reverb on the drums, some delay on the vocals and lead guitars.....

i guess the trend today is, to make everything bone dry....

but i never was much for trends, i'd rather avoid the sound of what ever is the flavor of the day, for doing something a little more original, even if it does sound "dated"...
 
I think "overprocessed" the way its being used applies even to stuff that's not loaded with effects if it SOUNDS like the stuff from the late 80s... which you are like me in that you can pull off licks all day that sound just like all the hair-metal guitar players from back then. I think it's just the style of playing, and nothing wrong with that at all. I sometimes try not to play like that, and find myself falling back into it by habit, and that's the only time it's bad cause I'm trying to NOT play like that on purpose. Also, four rythm guitars could tend to give you an overprocessed type of sound, hehe. The vocalist has that 80s type of delivery which also adds to the "dated" sound. I like the sound you have in this song and nice playing too, but ever since Kurt Cobain, if you play very fast licks in a hard rock song you have to play sloppy guitar in order to not be associated with the 80s guitar players stigma in some way.
 
thanks for the listen, jon x.......

i think you're right about this curt cobain-type of mentality out there, and it's very short-sighted....

yeah, sloppy playing is not something i like in general, but in specific places it's absolutely necessary.

the way i feel about it is, if you are going to bother to learn an instrument, or learn how to write songs, or learn how to record, then do it well....there are so many out there, so many, that don't do it well....

i don't appreciate the proliferation of songs on the radio that are trying to play down the recording element, or making the sound so stripped down....and the playing, for that matter....

i think it's because of this (radio having such a big influence, while being so narrowminded...) that there are not many groups taking chances any more.......

i like to hear those chances, and i like to hear music that doesn't fit the "latest" and "in" categories....

break the mold, i say... that's why i play what i play, because i'm not hearing it going on anywhere else....

i never listened to any of that big hair rock in the 80's, my bag then was probably more jazz-fusion than anything else...
 
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