How would you record a vocal trio?

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I've got a vocal trio comming in next week. They're going to sing a cappella. One male and two females...a couple folk tunes.

How would you do it?

Mic each vocalist on his/her own mic (3 mics) or, do it semi-circle with a single mic or, possibly with a matched pair and do it in stereo. Or,...maybe I should just set up for both? Kind of a center mic with a couple spaced ORTF mics. I've done that before in uncertain situations with decent results. At least that way I have some options and combos to work with.

I appreciate your opinions and the feedback. Thanks.
 
If you feel confident, you could try this:


Take a good large diaphram and place it in the middle the three. I would say maybe 4-8 inches away from the mouth and with the pop filter.

You want to get the best even coverage of all three together, so you might want to experient with the placement of the trio. I would pic the strongest, or most notable singer and have him/her stand in the middle.


You could try the V-shape and have the main vocals up front with supporting vocals behind on either sides.


If it was a truly even bi directional (both sides of) mic, then you could always have your main vocals on one side with supporting vocals on the other.


The important thing always being the blend of the voices.
 
Thanks...this project is a bit of a departure from what most of my work has been like. Usually a single vocalist or instrumentalist in solo or with backing tracks or a small band (insturments included) where everyone is seperately mic'd. So, I'm treading into slightly new territory.

My son and I have been trying a couple things...you've hit upon my first and most obvious problem with using a single mic...getting a nice balance with all three voices huddled around a single mic. With me at the center and my son on either side while I still pick him up, he's noticably down in level. Not much I can do about that. I find that if I back up to say 30" inches or so (like your "V" arrangement), the balance gets much better but now of course the initimacy/presence isn't there any more.

I'm thinking that I'll try this backed off approach with my Rode NTK in the middle. Then a pair of Dragon Fly's in an ORTIF ( I really like these mics on female voices). If nothing else, I'll have two configurations to work with later.

BTW...I talked to one of the ladies last night. None of them were excited about doing solo/multi tracks. They really felt more comfortable singing as a group.

Thanks for the suggestions.
 
The important thing is to make sure the session feels as much like a rehearsal or a date/show/gig as possible. Don't ask them to do anything unnatural like sing one at a time for the sake of multi-tracking.

Have you considered a good omni mic for them to balance themselves around?
 
Thanks very much for the input...their typical practice would be the three of them standing in semi-circle. I'm going to keep this for sure.

Unfortunately a good omni isn't in my collection yet. I've borrowed one on a couple ocassions before we had the place remodeled. At that time the room wasn't nice to record omni in so I never made the purchase. Now we've got a great place to work in but this is the first time since that we've felt the need. I should have seen this coming. Looks like time to go shopping (I like shopping).

Unfortunately even if I were to get one sometime this week, I would be experimenting with the trio when they arrive. I might just go ahead and pick one up and slip it into the session and see what happens.
 
Omni with mixed overdubs paned left and right.
DO not use multiple mics if recording back vocals.You will loose the natural mix of the voices.
 
And again...thanks.

These ladies are an a cappella group. Think folk and country/church singers. I'm looking into getting an Omni over-nighted.
 
I'm looking at the SP C3 or the SP T3...anyone have any experience with these? I would have liked to make a "stronger" purchase but I've been caught off guard and not prepared to dump a load down for my Blue Kiwi just yet.
 
Try this...

If they're good singers with good pitch, good emotion and well matched volume, I'd wrap them around a LDC-based M-S mic configuration (a Studio Projects B1 and B3 for example)... one singer on each end of the figure-8 B3, and one singer in the middle, in front of the B1. I'd then space them back and around the radius of the stereo field of the mics, according to the vibe you're going for and how the acoustics of the room work with the songs. Try this and you'll capture a really big, warm, stereo vocal mix that's hard to beat. ;)
 
Yo Punkin! First, you have to decide if you want to do it fast, or do it right. First, I would get a sense of how experienced they are with either studio mics or overdubbing. Traditional folkies often have the delusion that if they ignore all that gear, they'll somehow be more natural, so you often have to sneak up on them with a condenser mic while they're hugging a tree. (Sorry, I spent the whole weekend doing live sound reinforcement for the New England Folk Festival Association- It was a Martin, banjo, and fiddle convention!). First, listen to these people sing, just listen. You need to know what is the order of loudness, from strong to weak. And you need to know how good they are, in terms of timing and pitch, from best to worst. I'd start with a semicircle, like a stage, with SM58's or similar mics, 3 mics, three tracks. That's what they are used to, a stage with an SM58, in line, facing an audience. That will make them comfortable. Don't use reverb. If they are real folkies, instead of folk rockers, they won't be used to it. No EQ going in.
Next, move to plan B. Put an omni in the middle of the room and an X-Y coincedent pair of small diaphragms overhead, above the omni. Then move the strongest vocalist back a little, and the weakest one in a little. No headphones. Just let them sing. Later, you can compare the X-Y and omni tracks, and use one or the other, or some combination of the 2. Keep them a good distance from the mic, like 3-4', no pop filters.
Now it's time to point out that we have this new-fangled thing called sound-on-sound. Take whatever mic works best on the singer you have identified as the best overall singer. Give them a click track, cans, a pop filter, in the nice vocal booth. Still no reverb, no EQ. Then overdub the other parts with whatever mics work for the other singers. Then mix the crap out of it, EQ to taste, add *a hint, and no more* of ambience, and let them decide what they like. You now have essentially a live recording, a live studio recording, and a studio recording. Don't be surprised if they prefer the 3 SM58's. They are looking for a sound that sounds like a farmer singing in a barn, not the Kelly Clarkson vibe. But you never know. Depending on what they bring to the table, any of those versions might work.
Basically, the plan is to start with something that doesn't require them to be very flexible, or vary their technique much. With each step, you are introducing more variables that they have to adapt to. Many traditional folkies will be spooked by cans and a click track. The ones that aren't- well, they are called Nickel Creek. Good Luck-Richie
 
Thanks Richard...really.

To answer your first question, the intent is to do it right.

I've more or less settled on your plan "B". In fact, this was sort of my plan "A" from the get-go or something very much like it anyways. The limiter was not having a good omni at my finger tips and short notice. This has since been taken care of. I scored an AKG C-414 B-XL and a SP-C3...(borrowed for demo with intent to purchase one of them). I'll get a chance to play with a couple mics and positionings. If you have any strong feelings about either of these mics, would like to hear about them.

Your comment about the headphones for monitoring has already come up...one of the ladies has strong opinions about this (not gonna do it).

Again, I really appreciate your input...I'll put the advice to good use later this week.
 
Just one more thanks to everyone for their input.

The session went pefectly. I settled on the C 414 during sound checks and ended up buying it. It's a very smooth mic.

I set the ladies up semi-circle around the mic (set to omni). No EQ, just a touch of verb to liven it up a bit and a light touch of compression. Nothing else was needed. These ladies know how to sing together which made my work a snap. I ended up with a very honest sounding nostalgia/country/folk sound. Exactly what they were after.

I'm very excited about this mic. I've got more work with the high school theater group. They need a bunch of voice overs and some segway/chorus parts. I'll get practice and some printed advertising out of it.
 
Go Punkin! The 414 is really one of the best all-purpose workhorses out there, and considering what it does, it is really a cheap mic. It rocks on the 12th fret of a really good guitar, It's a great mic on toms, overhead, and Djembe. And it's a great vocal mic if the singer is really good. It is awful on a rough singer. Definitely not the #1 vocal mic for Bob Dylan.-Richie
 
I guess I lucked out...these ladies had very smooth voices. My son and I did some simple dialog exchanges. We both have lower tenor voices. My daughter on the other hand has a very high voice. Just a little to bright for my liking but EQ's nicely. The thing is awsome up close when you get into the proximity area but a pop filter is a big must due to plosives.

Again, thanks.
 
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