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I had not planned to write anything more, but...
Bdgr,
>WE UNDERSTAND THAT PART GOAT FELCHER.....it just doesnt
>matter.
>
>You dont even get the purpose of using good monitors...WE ARE
>NOT talking about trying to make A sound exactly like B, we are
>trying to create a mix so that the finished product will sound
>right on any bodys playback. For the love of God get a fucking
>clue...
So what you are saying is that it's not a good idea to mix on flat monitors/speakers? What do you have to back that up? That is what you are saying. The more A sound like B as you put it, the flatter responding speakers. That's what my mp3 shows, that the EQd speakers has a more flat response than the not EQed... That the EQed speakers has a more accurate representation of the sound than my non EQed speakers.
I have analyzed the frequency response on a number of different stereos in different rooms. The curves are very different... Here is a quote of mine about this:
So what was all this for anyway? One of the main reasons why I started with this was that I wanted to examine different speakers/stereos to see if there was something in common that I could use while mastering. My conclusion to this is that not two EQ curves was even close to the same. This kind of kills an old thought I had (and that I have seen that others have as well) - that it's a good idea to have a normal stereo as your monitors because then it will sound good on other stereos as well... Forget that!!! Not two stereos are the same. The absolutely best must be to mix on an ultra flat monitoring system and then only do some small modifications while mastering.
Just because absolutely FLAT is the average of all stereos/radios/or anything that it could be played on. So you don't agree with this then, or why would it be better to mix on just any old stereo speakers rather than stereo speakers that's flat responding?
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Zeke,
Thanks for your concern. Did you by any chanse listen to the mp3?
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Everyone,
I repeat from the last time I was here: I have never said that EQing your old speakers replaces real monitors. If you can afford them, buy them. EQing old stereo speakers is a poor mans substitute. If you indeed get your old speakers to be flatter responding than before, then you will be able to get better mixes out of them. But be aware of all the problems with this tecnique that so many have written about here. But also have in mind that room acoustics, standing waves etc, all this will affect the sound just as much if you don't EQ your speakers. What everyone has aginst my method is that they say it's a bad idea to get rid of these phenomenons by EQing your monitors/speakers. That it's better to place the monitors differently and alter your room and walls to absorb/break up sound better. I can't argue with that. The absolutely best is of course to have the absolutely best monitors there is in a room entirely designed for sound monitoring. If you can afford that - fine! In my own experiance (and as you can hear in the mp3) I have actually managed to get a more flat frequency response out of my old speakers by adding EQ. Even if most people that has written in this thread want me to deny this, I can't! I simply can't deny my own experiance. Simple as that. What I hear, what I see on the spectrum analyzer when playing the test samples in GoldWave, my recent mixing results... Everything (except you guys) tells me that I'm better off mixing on my EQed speakers compared to my un-EQed speakers. Real monitors would no doubt be better. As I said, I have never questioned that.
Now I hope we can leave this in peace. I will do that. No offence taken on my part. I understand that some of you feel offended by me, calling you stupid, not logical and brainwashed. I'm sorry for freaking you out like that, but I was just being honest. I can't just convince people that not are believing their own ears.
Happy Recording!
/Anders
Bdgr,
>WE UNDERSTAND THAT PART GOAT FELCHER.....it just doesnt
>matter.
>
>You dont even get the purpose of using good monitors...WE ARE
>NOT talking about trying to make A sound exactly like B, we are
>trying to create a mix so that the finished product will sound
>right on any bodys playback. For the love of God get a fucking
>clue...
So what you are saying is that it's not a good idea to mix on flat monitors/speakers? What do you have to back that up? That is what you are saying. The more A sound like B as you put it, the flatter responding speakers. That's what my mp3 shows, that the EQd speakers has a more flat response than the not EQed... That the EQed speakers has a more accurate representation of the sound than my non EQed speakers.
I have analyzed the frequency response on a number of different stereos in different rooms. The curves are very different... Here is a quote of mine about this:
So what was all this for anyway? One of the main reasons why I started with this was that I wanted to examine different speakers/stereos to see if there was something in common that I could use while mastering. My conclusion to this is that not two EQ curves was even close to the same. This kind of kills an old thought I had (and that I have seen that others have as well) - that it's a good idea to have a normal stereo as your monitors because then it will sound good on other stereos as well... Forget that!!! Not two stereos are the same. The absolutely best must be to mix on an ultra flat monitoring system and then only do some small modifications while mastering.
Just because absolutely FLAT is the average of all stereos/radios/or anything that it could be played on. So you don't agree with this then, or why would it be better to mix on just any old stereo speakers rather than stereo speakers that's flat responding?
--
Zeke,
Thanks for your concern. Did you by any chanse listen to the mp3?
--
Everyone,
I repeat from the last time I was here: I have never said that EQing your old speakers replaces real monitors. If you can afford them, buy them. EQing old stereo speakers is a poor mans substitute. If you indeed get your old speakers to be flatter responding than before, then you will be able to get better mixes out of them. But be aware of all the problems with this tecnique that so many have written about here. But also have in mind that room acoustics, standing waves etc, all this will affect the sound just as much if you don't EQ your speakers. What everyone has aginst my method is that they say it's a bad idea to get rid of these phenomenons by EQing your monitors/speakers. That it's better to place the monitors differently and alter your room and walls to absorb/break up sound better. I can't argue with that. The absolutely best is of course to have the absolutely best monitors there is in a room entirely designed for sound monitoring. If you can afford that - fine! In my own experiance (and as you can hear in the mp3) I have actually managed to get a more flat frequency response out of my old speakers by adding EQ. Even if most people that has written in this thread want me to deny this, I can't! I simply can't deny my own experiance. Simple as that. What I hear, what I see on the spectrum analyzer when playing the test samples in GoldWave, my recent mixing results... Everything (except you guys) tells me that I'm better off mixing on my EQed speakers compared to my un-EQed speakers. Real monitors would no doubt be better. As I said, I have never questioned that.
Now I hope we can leave this in peace. I will do that. No offence taken on my part. I understand that some of you feel offended by me, calling you stupid, not logical and brainwashed. I'm sorry for freaking you out like that, but I was just being honest. I can't just convince people that not are believing their own ears.
Happy Recording!
/Anders
Your massive critisism made me take a defensive role, holding on to my 20 years old speakers longer that I would have otherwise.
