How to Interleave a L and R mix

[nwsoundman]

I figured it out!
You go to the audio files menu WHILE IN the edit window, and highlight the the audio file then choose export interleave, and wham!
Good to go.

I was just goin to tell you that. I am still uneasy about any exporting that requires file manipulation with PT's. It is still a lot better than the bounce though. I use a second machine running Wavelab to mix to when possible.

 

[Dogman]

I figured it out!
You go to the audio files menu WHILE IN the edit window, and highlight the the audio file then choose export interleave, and wham!
Good to go.

Now that you figured it out, would you mind explaining what you were doing, to those of us that don't really know much about this? I just bounce tracks to make a mix. is this what you were doing, or something totally different? I don't use PT, but use Audition, or Sonar 5. Just curious.
Ed

 

[xfinsterx]

Now that you figured it out, would you mind explaining what you were doing, to those of us that don't really know much about this? I just bounce tracks to make a mix. is this what you were doing, or something totally different? I don't use PT, but use Audition, or Sonar 5. Just curious.
Ed

All of your tracks in a session are routed to dual output.
I.E. "output 1&2" so that they may be routed to you speakers.

What im doing is changing all those ouputs to a stereo bus, and sending that to a stereo AUX track, doing whatever master effects i need, and then bussing THAT track to a stereo AUDIO track, and then recording it.

At that point i just export the new stereo mix as an interleaved 16 WAV and VIOLA, no BTD.

 

[7string]

Hey X! I was told by someone (can't remember who) on this board to try rendering to L & R files and THEN bring those two files back into your DAW and pan them each L & R and it would give you a 'wider stereo image.' THEN render to a stereo file. I've never tried it but thought I'd mention it.

 

[xfinsterx]

Hey X! I was told by someone (can't remember who) on this board to try rendering to L & R files and THEN bring those two files back into your DAW and pan them each L & R and it would give you a 'wider stereo image.' THEN render to a stereo file. I've never tried it but thought I'd mention it.

cool thanks.

(edit) i tried and like i expected it made no difference. But thanks anyways, and god bless.

 

[NationalSandwic]

that doesn't make sense to me. the DAW should be playing the L & R tracks panned L & R already...

I'm going to try the L&R export in Logic Audio instead of a bounce, and see if it sounds different to me. And then again, the Bounce functions ARE export functions...i'd be suprised if "bounce to disk" or "exporting to disk" used different algorithms. exporting/bouncing to tape vs. exporting to hard disk, maybe...
i understand that one program might bounce a different quality than another program, but that the master bounce function (designed to be your final render) sounds different (even slightly) from your playback seems ridiculous to me, and frankly makes me worry.

are you certain your bounce sample-rate is the same as your edit sample rate? that might give an audible difference between playback & bounce. maybe "export" uses the project sample-rate automatically?

I wonder how much of this is some sort of psychological thing; you think it sounds wider or better 'cos you believe it does, or want it to...

 

[xfinsterx]

that doesn't make sense to me. the DAW should be playing the L & R tracks panned L & R already...

I'm going to try the L&R export in Logic Audio instead of a bounce, and see if it sounds different to me. And then again, the Bounce functions ARE export functions...i'd be suprised if "bounce to disk" or "exporting to disk" used different algorithms..

I wouldnt say its about imaging.
Id say a good clock source is important for imaging...but thats a whole nother expensive story.

Id say its about automation.
Something changes about the automation when you BTD.

So I choose to do what I think sounds best.
I record my mix, then i export it.
I certainly dont want to get into all the logistics of how the heirarchy(sp) works during a render.

I just know it sounds better TO ME.
If what you are doing works for you then fine, cool.
But please dont tell me im trippin.

Its like saying i like pickles.
I DO.

OH? You dont?
Well nobody said you had to eat them!

I LIKE PICKLES.

 

[NationalSandwic]

chris, no one's saying you're making a bad choice. of course, do what sounds best to you. we're just saying that it's quite worrying that there is this possible 'problem' in DAW systems. don't you think it's an issue that the bouncing process might alter the sound of the mix? i do.

but also, i see that you're not saying that bouncing changes the sound, you're saying that "re-recording" the stereo mix changes the sound.

also, we can't hear the difference...if you were saying 'this plug-in sounds better than that' we could say, 'damn straight' or 'wait, have you tried this one', etc. In none of your posts have you described in what way the sound differs, just that you prefer it, and you're a trained engineer so you should be able to describe what you're hearing in some detail.

i had a thought that maybe it's got something to with the fact that you're "re-recording" a mix, and that there's a process in recording that's different from bouncing, so it might change the sound.

i like pickles too.

 

[xfinsterx]

we're just saying

We?

also, we can't hear the difference...

what the hell is this we shit?
YOU, are the only one typing Boss.

Look man im glad you like pickles.
That means you get my point.
Leave it at that.

 

[xfinsterx]

Actually.... screw that.

Ill tell you what it is.

Its the automation.

When i BTD i can literally hear my automations getting fucked up, and differentiated from what they originally were.
Stereo width, bass, treble...blah. All that stuff is fine.

But as a whole the automation, which i tend to do alot of, gets jacked especially in the plug-in automations.

So letting it record "while in PT" enables me to have a copy of what ive REALLY been working on for 4 hours straight.

 

[reshp1]

What if you record/print your mix to a stereo track, then bounce only that track to disc? Does that get around it? I mean, no automation, no plugin's that way right?
EDIT: WHoa, a bit slow this morning, looks like you figured it out already.

 

[NationalSandwic]

woah...
i think the "we" was just me picking up on a couple of other posts that expressed concern at discrepancies in professional DAWs. i've tried in Logic and Cool Edit Pro and i can't hear any difference between a track bounced to disc or a mix recorded to stereo tracks. automation is a DAW procedure right, not a plugin function? it's just bizarre to me that pro software would alter automations between playback and bounce, 'cos that's not exactly condusive to producing consistent/accurate mixes. and yeah if it messes with 4 hours of work, that's frustrating.

 

[xfinsterx]

woah...
i think the "we" was just me picking up on a couple of other posts that expressed concern at discrepancies in professional DAWs. i've tried in Logic and Cool Edit Pro and i can't hear any difference between a track bounced to disc or a mix recorded to stereo tracks. automation is a DAW procedure right, not a plugin function? it's just bizarre to me that pro software would alter automations between playback and bounce, 'cos that's not exactly condusive to producing consistent/accurate mixes. and yeah if it messes with 4 hours of work, that's frustrating.

Pardon me being an asshole then.
My apologies.