how good is Kazaa?

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why are you so embarrassed?

did you have unrealistic expectations?

i went trolling for lake trout on lake superior and it were fun! the fishes tasted very good baked almondine.
 
as with napster...

Kazaa finds it's home in my PC. Popup adds are a small price to pay to demo some cool tunes .. and i said "demo".

I personally hate the sound quality or lack thereof of 128Kbps mp3's (which is what most people encode to for some strange reason) so I buy the CD's. I guess encoding at 128kbps or lower adds incentive to go buy the tunes.

As for 'spyware', again a small price to pay for a person with nothing to hide. Just put your browser security on high and don't click on 'yes' to anything unless you've read and understand what the computer dialogue is actually asking of you.

It can't see you whacking off or anything! geez. what do you REALLY have to hide??

Also, you can't catch viruses from mp3's. If you're downloading software then .. use an updated virus scanner on the files first!

People around here hate Kazaa (yes I use it and hate it at the same time) because just like myself, they've spent all or most of their spare cash on audio goodies to find that some snot punk has simply downloaded all their favorite audio plugins and sequencers from kazaa (and more). This drives up the price of the better plugins and sequencers and in turn forces more people to steal software from Kazaa. Crazy circle ey?

Another reason they hate it is that people won't buy the CD's if they can simply download the tunes.

I hate all that too.

One of these days when the government filters every god damn IP packet and ultimately controls the internet (out of terorism fears) then perhap , the stealing of software and music will stop. I firmly beleive that ISP's will be forced to block all packets that are directed to non-standard ports (unless you have a good reason .. like a SQL server) or that have 'gnutella' or 'fastrack' information in the packet headers. It's easy to figure out .. trust me.

Making a network sniffer that automatically detects Kazaa or gnutella activity is a peice of cake. I've done it. Simple HTTP and basic TCP/IP. (This sniffer is not for sale nor is it in use. Sniffing iis illegal.)

Free speech is here to stay thank god, but stealing software and other people's intelectual property is not. The government has a right to control internet traffic. So that it can protect our rights and our property and to catch crirminals. There's nothing to hide so why care? We're still free after all.
 
your right about the stealing software and music stuff.

Nobody is a saint, everybody will have a some copied styuff at home. But we as homereccers can handle a certain boundary: I still buy all the Cd's of the music I like. The problem is there is a generation coming who think copying is quite normal, and don't realize that there are many musicians who have financial troubles and really need Cd sales.

About the spyware, I have nothing to hide, but it's the principle. I also have nothing to hide in my personal life but I don't want people checking on me. Where I surf to is nobody's business.
 
I agree with (Demo ing) music, a friend of mine from back in highschool did an album with his group and I critiqued the first draft. When they finally released it, (never called me) I was able to demo it, decide it was garbage, and save myself some money. They changed everything on the album. my friend had Kazaa.
 
It can't see you whacking off or anything! geez. what do you REALLY have to hide??
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It's not that you have something to hide man, It's just the fact that these assholes are putting apps and regestry entries in your system without your permission. And thats a load of CRAP! Oh, and BTW, they can also get your e-mail. But hey you might like SPAM To each his own I guess. :confused:
 
never give em your real address!!!

Everywhere in my registry where i find instances of my real adress for some strange reason (micro$oft rats!!) .. i replace it with me@me.com. Also, it's safe to remove your name an any other information you can find about yourself. Delete cookies.

Also when singing up to stuff, i usually use a 'real' hotmail account that i never check.

On top of that I never check my e-mail from a windows computer .. i log into a unix box via SSH. checking e-mail from a windows pc, i find is like doing a prostitue without a rubber.

I agree with you on all points. Spyware is an invasion of privacy and I never put spyware in my products.
 
checking e-mail from a windows pc, i find is like doing a prostitue without a rubber.
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Damn! That is the truest truth I have truthfuly heard!
KUDOS to you tavillian.
 
wow!!!

i see a long thoughtful post on my thread!!!


ha ha ha if the haxtors put a trojan on your thingie then they can control your webcam and record you jacking off and put it on a perv site for ppls who want to jack off while they watch you jacking off!


i spent a lot of time at the old napster. i have a dailup modem so its reeeeeely slow for me to download files. if i wasnt sure i wanted a song i would look for a low kbps version to audition first! 128 kbps to me was standard and i agree its not great quality but it sounds ok unless i try to listen to it on headphones...

i dont know how many cd's worth of tunes i got from napster but its a lot. i havent bought any cd's since then except some REALLY obscure stuff so i know i am a very bad person. i also copy cd's from the library. bad!!!!!

im not worried about email. why should i worry? what can happen? its just email...

i have a hotmail account and its a spam magnet! i have less populous accounts and never get any spam on them. ever.
 
Re: as with napster...

If one has nothing to hide from spyware, and so doesn't mind, would that person also not mind if the police stopped him on the highway every day just to check on him?

Piracy is a problem, but so is drug smuggling. Sniffing everyone's packets on the Net for piracy or terror reasons is akin to stopping all the cars on the interstate since they might be smuggling drugs.

The problem with Net antipiracy moves is that it will require the monitoring of ALL traffic-- a constant wiretap, if you will--or it won't work. Unless people voluntarily stop pirating, it'll come down to either accepting the piracy of computer-based content or accepting government monitoring of all your computer activities, all the time.

Sucky choice to make, but I'd rather that some lose money that everyone lose their rights. There are other ways to make money, but no way to regain your freedom once it's snatched away. You can bet that any gov't monitoring of the Net will include much much more than pirate mp3's. Type a joke that some FBI desk jockey misinterprets, and you're screwed.
 
Re: Re: as with napster...

esactun said:
Type a joke that some FBI desk jockey misinterprets, and you're screwed.
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Well ... yeah but lets be honest here. Nobody's gonna bust your balls for a bad joke... or saying that the FBI blows peckers. Claiming that you know how to make a highly explosive bomb and you aren't afraid to use it is an altogether differnet matter... (or that you just cracked the latest Windows anti-piracy mechanism and you just uploaded software to do so)

People that crack codes and perpetuate hate and crimes are dangerous. The average computer user doesn't even know how to begin causing damage. Spamming, e-mail viruses and DOS 'attacks' are all they think cause damage. Today's rogue computer programers (good programmers .. not VB 'coders' :-0 .. just kidding folks. ) are like the Nuclear physicists of a certain former superpower gone broke. These are the people the government and big companies fear.

If the GOV decided to monitor all internet traffic, they'd go after dealers and pimps (software pirates, hate groups, crackers ..etc) and less so the poor pervert trying to get cheap head or a tiny bag of weed (person using Kazaa, spamers .. etc). Just like the physical world, it's not cost efficient to persue the little guys so much as it is to stop the evil at the source. (most of the time)

So if someone likes to play with themselves while eating peanut butter and reading bad jokes about the FBI and simultaneously downloading music off of Kazaa... then so be it. He or she 'would 'still be able to do that without fear of reprisal from government agencies. Worst comes to worst, they would get banned from the p2p comunity just like Napster did to some users after Metallica bitched about loosing money.

People won't stop stealing. It's too damn easy today. The corporate and government agencies won't roll over and play dead either. Wether we like it or not .. the government will eventually filter a good portion of the internet and will force service providers to adhere to certain guidelines and start filtering some content. It's for the safety of free countries and for the good of artists and anybody trying to sell software or any type of digital media.

So i hope you didn't take thos cracks bout the FBI too seriously .. since i am Canadian and we don't have the FBI ... we have the RCMP. ( a bit of light hearted humor)

Take care guys. I'm outta this thread.
 
Me myself & him said:
I just assumed they did all that stuff anyway
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They (READ: US Government) do monitor ALL transmissions.
 
Attention: New virus spread through KaZaA

Excerpts from the latest Symantec newsletter - attention KaZaA users! - R.White


symantec symantec security response

ISSN 1444-9994 June 2002 Newsletter
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Peer-to-peer (P2P) networks look like the next target for worms, we've already seen worms exploit this type of architecture and we had more than 900 samples of W32.Benjamin.Worm in 7 days. This is a lot for a worm that does not replicate itself but requires users to manually retrieve it. Does this tell us that the average user of a consumer based P2P network will grab any file they can, with little consideration for security and privacy?

Oddly W32.Benjamin.Worm is number two in the Netherlands this month, just when we feature this country. Whilst Benjamin doesn't show up at all in the Asias top ten.

An SQL worm (Digispid.B.Worm) has reminded us all to change standard, 'out of the box' passwords as soon as we install software that use user account and passwords. This is one of the easiest expoits for a cracker or automated worm to use.

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W32.Benjamin.Worm comes disguised as popular music, movie, or software files. It spreads across KaZaA file-sharing networks by tricking KaZaA users into downloading the program and opening it.
The size of the worm can vary because the worm pads copies of itself with garbage bytes. The worm creates the C:\%Windows%\Temp\Sys32 folder. It then changes the KaZaA download folder settings so that this new folder is accessible to other KazaA network users. This allows other KaZaA users to download files from that location.

The worm then copies itself into this folder using many different names that are chosen randomly from a list that the worm carries. Here are some examples:

Chterbahn Designer -full-downloader
Acrobat Capture 3.0 -full-downloader
Age of Empires-Games-full-downloader
American Pie 2 -divx-full-downloader
Baseball 2001-Games-full-downloader
Metallica - Blackened
ac dc - Fight For Your Right

The worm then displays a fake error message, finally, it waits in the background for other KaZaA users to download the worm file.



http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.benjamin.worm.html

Yana Liu and Douglas Knowles
Symantec Security Response, USA.
 
But on a lighter note, I found this on another site.






posted June 20, 2002 10:09 AM
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Music bosses have unveiled a revolutionary new recording format that they
hope will help win the war on illegal file sharing which is thought to be
costing the industry millions of dollars in lost revenue.
Nicknamed the 'Record', the new format takes the form of a black, vinyl disc
measuring 12 inches in diameter, which must be played on a specially
designed 'turntable'.
"We can state with absolute certainty that no computer in the world can
access the data on this disc," said spokesman Brett Campbell. "We are also
confident that no-one is going to be able to produce pirate copies in this
format without going to a heck of a lot of trouble. This is without doubt
the best anti-piracy invention the music industry has ever seen."
As part of the invention's rigorous testing process, the designers gave some
discs to a group of teenage computer experts who regularly use file swapping
software such as Limewire and gnutella and who admit to pirating music CDs.
Despite several days of trying, none of them were able to hack into the
disc's code or access any of the music files contained within it.
"It's like, really big and stuff," said Doug Flamboise, one of the testers.
"I couldn't get it into any of my drives. I mean, what format is it? Is it,
like, from France or something?"
In the new format, raw audio data in the form of music is encoded by
physically etching grooves onto the vinyl disc. The sound is thus translated
into variations on the disc's surface in a process that industry insiders
are describing as 'completely revolutionary' and 'stunningly clever.'
To decode the data stored on the disc, the listener must use a special
player which contains a 'needle' that runs along the grooves on the record
surface, reading the indentations and transforming the movements back into
audio that can be fed through loudspeakers.
Even Shawn Fanning, the man who invented Napster, admits the new
format will make file swapping much more difficult. "I've never seen
anything like this," he told reporters. "How does it work?"
As rumors that a Taiwanese company has been secretly developing a 12
inch wide, turntable-driven, needle-based, firewire drive remain
unconfirmed, it would appear that the music industry may, at last, have
found the pirate-proof format it has long been searching for.
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LOL.

Records are pirate proof ey?

TURNTABLE -> ADC -> PC/REC SOFTWARE -> DAC -> AMP -> SPEAKERS

(I know you all new this .. i'm not being arrogant, just beating a dead thread)

Hasn't technology made it so simple to steel anything you see on tv/movies/digital and heard on analog radio/internet radio/cd/record/ that it's so blantantly obvious that you can't 'pirate proof' audio/video (let's not mention how easy it is to steal javascript and html right off of peoples website .. hey i did it to learn! LOL!)



Hell if you really wanted to steal a 'digital pirate proof' tune, you could simply record the audio coming out of a pc's soundcard using another pc .. and playing with the levels of course.

If you can hear it .. there's a way to connect it to your PC.

Hey can I borrow your Windows CD? I'll give it right back!!!

Pirating can't be stopped .. however at one point, people will be so afraid to distribute pirated material on P2P that 'piracy' will be virtually dead among the masses but will be more allive than ever amongst friends and relatives.


Perhaps there will be a sweeping change in morals amongst humans????

right.

Later guys.
 
BACK to vinyl? :confused: :rolleyes:

Those big boys already forgotten why they invented CDroms? Durability etc? Being not as sensible to scratches etc?

I wanna see 'em get away with that. Especially with audio cd-writers. The audiocassette was a bad medium to copy on. Back in the days, it was worth buying the CD or vinyl because of the bad quality the cassette offered. Then came the DAT and DCC... Still not good enough, too expensive. Now there's cheap CDRs. What's gonna stop people from copying audio on that? Nothing.

Silly media giants. Their topmanagers really haven't got a clue about modernday technology. I've heard really funny stories about some of those guys here at work. (I'm working in a technology centre of a CE-giant...)
 
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