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lenMCHC
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Drop C w/ a LDC in front of the cab. about 4 inches out.tylerxxx said:
cab = mesa recto cab.
i think our sound is good, but we could have done more w/ it
next time.
cab = mesa recto cab.
i think our sound is good, but we could have done more w/ it
next time.
zed32
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i read about doing the panning and layering thing with guitars a while back, and it improved my sound tremendously. i was really happy with the results. even though my gear sucks and the overall sound quality is poor, the sound of the guitars is much improved. i used to just record once, and then do the delay thing to spread it out, which sounded OK, but then i started recording each part 4 times, and each time with different pickup selections and tones, and then panned two of em about 80% L/R and then the other two about 40% L/R and it made it sound so much fatter. i would experiment and pair up the tracks using two which sounded best together, like ones which complemented each other's tone. the subtle differences in each track really add an extra layer to the sound, almost like a "chorus" type effect, but really natural sounding. also, another thing that really improved my sound was turning down the distortion. i made the mistake early on of recording with levels of distortion that were really high, like what i would use in live situations. but then when layering, it just sounded awful. i turned the distortion way down to the point where it barely sounded distorted at all, but then when layering all 4 tracks together, the sound was incredibly fat and heavy. of course if you solo one of the guitar tracks, it sounds weak, but when you add all 4, the small distortions all combine to form one big one. i think it works great.
zed32
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northsiderap said:
maybe try adding some milky thick creamy compressor instead of butter, i heard it has less cholesterol and sodium. remember, you want the pan to be hard, not your arteries.
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smtcharlie
emotion over sonics
I haven't listened to any of the samples, but I vote for all the way left and all the way right. As a guitar player, there is nothing more fun than recording the same metal riff twice, hard panned right and left. That seems to create that great metal energy (and that's the best part about metal, isn't it?).
I don't know how this would work for 2 guitarists who play slightly different stuff, but I try to play exactly the same thing twice.
Then add from there as needed....
I don't know how this would work for 2 guitarists who play slightly different stuff, but I try to play exactly the same thing twice.
Then add from there as needed....
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riantide
New member
Hard-Pan. I'm a huge fan, at least. Not to mention you'd be making George Martin proud.
And as far as doubling is concerned, I would say only do so if the guitar players are kick-ass. Especially if it's pretty technical stuff, the doubling can muddy up the part considerably. Sometimes when a guitar player says, "I would very much like this part to cut peoples' heads off, please," I'll throw in another guitar with mountains of gain and lows (and mids, always), pan it dead center and keep it pretty low in the mix. Just enough for beef. And of course the "beef" guitar is pretty much just power chords, nothing too technical.
But yeah, I'd say dial in some tones you really like and can hold their own, and then keep the tracks pretty minimal and hard-pan. I've also tried putting the close-mics at 100% R/L and putting the room mics at about 85% R/L and that can be pretty fun too. Hell, try everything. Have fun!
*sidenote* sometimes certain DAW's are really weird about hard-panning (I know ProTools certainly is). Sometimes, for whatever reason, 90% sounds wider and better than 100%. The computer is using an algorithm to pan out, which sounds different than hard-panning on a console. So find your DAW's "sweet spot" with regard to panning.
And as far as doubling is concerned, I would say only do so if the guitar players are kick-ass. Especially if it's pretty technical stuff, the doubling can muddy up the part considerably. Sometimes when a guitar player says, "I would very much like this part to cut peoples' heads off, please," I'll throw in another guitar with mountains of gain and lows (and mids, always), pan it dead center and keep it pretty low in the mix. Just enough for beef. And of course the "beef" guitar is pretty much just power chords, nothing too technical.
But yeah, I'd say dial in some tones you really like and can hold their own, and then keep the tracks pretty minimal and hard-pan. I've also tried putting the close-mics at 100% R/L and putting the room mics at about 85% R/L and that can be pretty fun too. Hell, try everything. Have fun!
*sidenote* sometimes certain DAW's are really weird about hard-panning (I know ProTools certainly is). Sometimes, for whatever reason, 90% sounds wider and better than 100%. The computer is using an algorithm to pan out, which sounds different than hard-panning on a console. So find your DAW's "sweet spot" with regard to panning.
northsiderap
New member
My guitars
Panning really depends on the song I'd guess...
A lot of the oldies are hard-panned. Then there was a while there when it seemed like a good share of the early hard rock had guitar panned left with reverb only on the right.
I like mine:
1) BG guitar close to center somewhere usually or panned opposite of very complimentary second background guitar
2) Second guitar 35 - 75% panned one side
3) Reinforcement guitar anywhere from center for high harmonies and panned up to 75% other side for lower harmonies.
Here's a couple:
A 'Crappy Sketch' as it is named. I kinda like the guitar pan on this one though... This pan scheme seems to work if you have a solid doubling or strong harmonies from side to side.
This one is from a late night quiet-quiet-quiet session while the woman was sleeping down the hall...
Panning really depends on the song I'd guess...
A lot of the oldies are hard-panned. Then there was a while there when it seemed like a good share of the early hard rock had guitar panned left with reverb only on the right.
I like mine:
1) BG guitar close to center somewhere usually or panned opposite of very complimentary second background guitar
2) Second guitar 35 - 75% panned one side
3) Reinforcement guitar anywhere from center for high harmonies and panned up to 75% other side for lower harmonies.
Here's a couple:
A 'Crappy Sketch' as it is named. I kinda like the guitar pan on this one though... This pan scheme seems to work if you have a solid doubling or strong harmonies from side to side.
This one is from a late night quiet-quiet-quiet session while the woman was sleeping down the hall...
cobradenim
New member
Hard Panning
All AC/DC records exept Fly On The Wall and Flick Of The Switch are mixed that way. The solo's are always right up the middle.
Listen to AC/DC records. Malcolm and Angus sometimes play slightly different parts and it works great. It also helps seperate the sounds alittle bit so you can distinguish who's playing what.smtcharlie said:
All AC/DC records exept Fly On The Wall and Flick Of The Switch are mixed that way. The solo's are always right up the middle.
