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kratos
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Just wondering how you people do it and keep doing music.
Lt. Bob
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well, if it's valid criticism then it's stuff you actually need to know.
Criticism is an essential part of learning.
BUT ...... you'll also get criticism from those who just don't see music the same way as you ... either they like a different style or simply have different preferences as to content.
Them you ignore ....... you can't please everyone ...... so try to please yourself first.
Criticism is an essential part of learning.
BUT ...... you'll also get criticism from those who just don't see music the same way as you ... either they like a different style or simply have different preferences as to content.
Them you ignore ....... you can't please everyone ...... so try to please yourself first.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
to add a bit:
There's a fine line between "not giving a shit what oithers think" and being closed minded towards learning about areas where you need to improve.
It can be hard to acceot true criticism because it's so easy to go too far with it and think "I suck" and just quit.
Lord knows I've seen this many times.
I've always been fairly objective about my playing and could accept honest critiques without getting too verklumpt about it. I know I have skills but all of us want to improve and I've always been looking for places to grow and learn so as long as people aren't assholes about it I could handle it with no problem.
Now I've been earning my living at it for 40+ years and so I'm kinda past all that but in my early years peoples' opinions of me and my skillz were really important to me and you have to watch out to not get discouraged if someone doesn't like what you do.
main thing is to do it for the fun of it ..... have fun and it doesn't matter how good you are or aren't. And then you'll play a lot because it's fun and if you play a lot you'll get better and better.
There's a fine line between "not giving a shit what oithers think" and being closed minded towards learning about areas where you need to improve.
It can be hard to acceot true criticism because it's so easy to go too far with it and think "I suck" and just quit.
Lord knows I've seen this many times.
I've always been fairly objective about my playing and could accept honest critiques without getting too verklumpt about it. I know I have skills but all of us want to improve and I've always been looking for places to grow and learn so as long as people aren't assholes about it I could handle it with no problem.
Now I've been earning my living at it for 40+ years and so I'm kinda past all that but in my early years peoples' opinions of me and my skillz were really important to me and you have to watch out to not get discouraged if someone doesn't like what you do.
main thing is to do it for the fun of it ..... have fun and it doesn't matter how good you are or aren't. And then you'll play a lot because it's fun and if you play a lot you'll get better and better.
kcearl
I see deaf people
you just have to take it on the chin and find out where they live at a later time and poison their pets.......
lets face it dont let people hear you music if you cant take criticism...and when its places like this then if 6 people say your snare sounds shite or the guitar's out of tune it generally is...but if they're saying I prefer a chorus with a slide guitar or this needs another two basses then just politely thank them....chances are they don't share your vision or have limited knowledge of the genre you're producing
constructively criticism is great, it will improve you as a recording artist...destructively? well poison their pets
lets face it dont let people hear you music if you cant take criticism...and when its places like this then if 6 people say your snare sounds shite or the guitar's out of tune it generally is...but if they're saying I prefer a chorus with a slide guitar or this needs another two basses then just politely thank them....chances are they don't share your vision or have limited knowledge of the genre you're producing
constructively criticism is great, it will improve you as a recording artist...destructively? well poison their pets
kcearl
I see deaf people
i generally get a lot of criticism, I have loads of poison
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Greg_L
Banned
Personally, I couldn't care less about what anyone thinks of my playing or my music. If people like it, that's really great, if they don't, that's okay too. I'll sleep fine at night either way. I just do what I do.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
and that's really the way to go ........ music should be about having fun.Personally, I couldn't care less about what anyone thinks of my playing or my music. If people like it, that's really great, if they don't, that's okay too. I'll sleep fine at night either way. I just do what I do.
If it's not fun then what's the point in doing it at all?
kcearl
I see deaf people
Personally, I couldn't care less about what anyone thinks of my playing or my music. If people like it, that's really great, if they don't, that's okay too. I'll sleep fine at night either way. I just do what I do.
thats lucky because its really, really, shite
but buy his album you fuckers!
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Greg_L
Banned
Exactly. Some people take this shit way too seriously. And as far as songwriting goes, if I wanna write a two minute song with no drum fills or guitar solo, I will, and it's still gonna rock like a motherfucker.
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Greg_L
Banned
thats lucky because its really, really, shite
but buy his album you fuckers!
Yes, buy my shite!
kcearl
I see deaf people
to make a living for some?
I get its about fun, but I think some of the satisfaction is less basic than that...without trying to get into deep thought here I think some of its sitting back in your seat after that last little tweak and going..done
achievable goals and there completion keep us all going, Im sure its different for those who purely are musicians but for home recorders/producers i think the satisfaction of a finished job comes into it as much as a good performance
and thats why I do care about criticism, I can filter the stuff that I dont thinks is appropriate but I like the bad as much as praise
kcearl
I see deaf people
lol @ deep thought...it was around 2" deep that one
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Greg_L
Banned
lol @ deep thought...it was around 2" deep that one
That's what she said.
kcearl
I see deaf people
then i strangled her with her tights and drove out to the cleveland national forest and buried her
GuitardedMark
New member
I think its important to consider where the ciriticism is coming from. If its someone who you don't respect professionally than I would take it with a grain of salt. If its someone who you respect professionally but just differ opions than I would consider the feedback. If it's someone you see eye to eye with and respect professional consider the feedback and then consider it again. My moto is to always keep an open mind and consider before you defend.
If you've ever noticed, whens somone shows you their music and says how great it is, its almost always, average AT BEST. Thats because those people have closed their minds to constructive criticism by choosing to live in a fantasy rather than ground themselves in reality. Constructive criticism is a great way to ground yourself. As a rule of thumb, if someone thinks they are amazing they need ciriticism to balance and if someone thinks they are horrible, than they need positive encouragement to lift them up.
I've also found a lot of people on this forum that bash others in an effort to make themselves feel/appear better. They are usually very obvious as they lack the tact of constructive criticism.
In my experience I've asked for feedback on some of my original metal stuff from people who I respect professionally but don't know their style as much and some times they will criticize to a point where it almost sounds llike they're angry. Whenever I get that I ask them if they listen to or like metal at all and it's ALWAYS a no. If someone doesn't listen to your style of music, it's pretty hard for them to accurately give you feedback. If someone doesn't like or listen to that style, they usually bashing the style rather than constructively ciriticizing the particular arrangement. This is not helpful to anyone. I've seen this a lot with professional critics. They are so predictible and biased its unbelievable.
Then there are those friends who say everything you do is amazing. Take it with a grain of salt
To be honest, there are only a select few people's opinions I REALLY care about. They are people who have somewhat similar tastes as me and people who I respect professionally and they aren't afraid to tell me the brutal truth if something is not so hot. Those people are very helpful and should not be overlooked.
If you've ever noticed, whens somone shows you their music and says how great it is, its almost always, average AT BEST. Thats because those people have closed their minds to constructive criticism by choosing to live in a fantasy rather than ground themselves in reality. Constructive criticism is a great way to ground yourself. As a rule of thumb, if someone thinks they are amazing they need ciriticism to balance and if someone thinks they are horrible, than they need positive encouragement to lift them up.
I've also found a lot of people on this forum that bash others in an effort to make themselves feel/appear better. They are usually very obvious as they lack the tact of constructive criticism.
In my experience I've asked for feedback on some of my original metal stuff from people who I respect professionally but don't know their style as much and some times they will criticize to a point where it almost sounds llike they're angry. Whenever I get that I ask them if they listen to or like metal at all and it's ALWAYS a no. If someone doesn't listen to your style of music, it's pretty hard for them to accurately give you feedback. If someone doesn't like or listen to that style, they usually bashing the style rather than constructively ciriticizing the particular arrangement. This is not helpful to anyone. I've seen this a lot with professional critics. They are so predictible and biased its unbelievable.
Then there are those friends who say everything you do is amazing. Take it with a grain of salt
To be honest, there are only a select few people's opinions I REALLY care about. They are people who have somewhat similar tastes as me and people who I respect professionally and they aren't afraid to tell me the brutal truth if something is not so hot. Those people are very helpful and should not be overlooked.
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Greg_L
Banned
And as a general rule, metal and rap people are the dumbest. Don't listen to them. 
kcearl
I see deaf people
thats what she said 
GuitardedMark
New member
And as a general rule, metal and rap people are the dumbest. Don't listen to them.
LOL!!! YOUR RIGHT!!! As a general rule they are! BUT remember, even though generalizations are usually true, the individual should be treated as an individual. Its the whole that you should bash
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
well, it's the only thing I've ever done to make a living for over 40 years and around 14,000 gigs. I gig way more than the vast majority of people. But the truth is ..... there are SO many ways to earn a better living with benefits and higher income and less bullshit. I manage to pull in around 40k a year just gigging and while that is pretty damned good for a full time local yokel, and really, more than most, it's not shit compared to very many other things I could be doing.
Wifey brings in twice what I do easily.
So though I do it for a living, if it wasn't fun I'd be doing something else and making way more money.
I choose to do it for my living for a couple of reasons.
One: I love it (although i probably don't love it .... it's more of an obsessive-compulsive disorder) ..... it's fun.
Two: I want to get as good as I can and the only way to do that is to play all the time and you can't afford to play ALL the time unless it's how you make your money or you're independently wealthy.
But I choose to do it for a living because it's fun and I enjoy it ....... I don't think too many people do it for a living because they just happen to do it and it's the only job they could get. They wouldn't have learned in the first place if it wasn't fun to them.
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dintymoore
Guest
Q: How do you cope with criticism?
It totally depends on who is giving it.
In the end if I think something's good or bad why would I care what anybody else thinks?
The best thing is to try and please yourself and then what you do will appeal to people who have similar tastes as you do.
I remember Larry King saying that he didn't know anyone who was at the top of his or her field who wasn't doing it primarily to please themselves.
You can't be drawing a picture and the whole time looking up at people and asking "is this good?". The only way is to draw a picture you like and fuck anybody that doesn't. There's no other way that I know of.
It totally depends on who is giving it.
In the end if I think something's good or bad why would I care what anybody else thinks?
The best thing is to try and please yourself and then what you do will appeal to people who have similar tastes as you do.
I remember Larry King saying that he didn't know anyone who was at the top of his or her field who wasn't doing it primarily to please themselves.
You can't be drawing a picture and the whole time looking up at people and asking "is this good?". The only way is to draw a picture you like and fuck anybody that doesn't. There's no other way that I know of.