how do YOU care for your cymbals?

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Those are sheet cymbals y'know. They aren't cast like Zildjian, Sabian, Bosphorous, etc..
I have a couple of old Formula 602's that I purchased in 1968 and they are pretty good, but they are fragile.

I have broken more cast cymbals than I have sheet ones. I think the record stands at 6:1. I have one Sabian that survived a thrash metal band, the rest - RIP. Went back to Paiste and haven't looked back. The only Paiste I've ever cracked was early in playing them and a friend actually started it.

602's will break if you look at them funny, though.
 
Those are sheet cymbals y'know. They aren't cast like Zildjian, Sabian, Bosphorous, etc..
I have a couple of old Formula 602's that I purchased in 1968 and they are pretty good, but they are fragile.

yeah I know they're sheet, I was told by an ex pro friend that they were the way to go as that's all he ever buys. I'm a light player anyway :p. I don't really have a good ear for good or bad cymbals yet so don't want to buy something then find out they're overpriced crap. I've already explained the rotten selection of cymbals in shops round about be in another thread, I'd have to travel a long way to try out cymbals & I can't afford to go on long random trips like that!! I listened to the samples on the paiste website & was impressed but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have crap samples!! It's very confusing the amount of manufacturors & product lines those manufacturors have for drums esp for a non equipment savvie player!!
 
The main problem I've got is that although I can tell the difference between my cymbals and great sounding cymbals if you like, I can't tell the difference really between cymbals of the same apparent quality. The only exception to this rule is the more outlandish models - which I couldn't afford anyway!! Do you think Paiste 2002's are overkill, a good choice or is there better options out there. The only reference I have is websites with samples.

PS never having played quality cymbals do they "feel" different to play?
 
The main problem I've got is that although I can tell the difference between my cymbals and great sounding cymbals if you like, I can't tell the difference really between cymbals of the same apparent quality. The only exception to this rule is the more outlandish models - which I couldn't afford anyway!! Do you think Paiste 2002's are overkill, a good choice or is there better options out there. The only reference I have is websites with samples.

PS never having played quality cymbals do they "feel" different to play?

If you can't tell the difference, then one is much the same as another - since your ear is the one to please.
 
PS never having played quality cymbals do they "feel" different to play?

I think they do actually, but it's more of a mental response. I'd call it "workability". Cheap cymbals seem to be restrictive dynamically. They usually have one sound that's hard to play with in a musical way. A really good cymbal will give you very nice sounds at a very low volume, build nicely, and be explosive when you need it. The cymbal reacts to your emotion and doesn't let you down, so in a way, it feels what you feel. So yes, it feels different.
 
A really good cymbal will give you very nice sounds at a very low volume, build nicely, and be explosive when you need it.

Probably the perfect decription & probably why novice drummers can't tell the difference between good & bad cymbals - because they only hit hard!! I don't want to keep goiing on about them (they only cost £50 & are a steal in my opinion as far as beginners cymbal packs) but my current crash & ride - when you tap them with your finger sounds like someone has turned round & sat on an old organ. Some of those unmusical tones disappear when I play them softly with sticks, then when I hit hard they sound fine until they start to decay. The hats are a different story, I find that they sound much less different to the more expensive ones, in comparison to rides & crashes. But again I may not know what to listen for when deciding whether a hat is good or not.
 
For cleaning..

You may laugh, but Dow Bathroom Cleaner works GREAT. I've never heard anyone else mention this. Used it for years with no detrimental effects on the finish at all.

It will remove the stamps though, so if you want to keep those, don't use Scrubbing Bubbles(R).
 
the only cymbals i've ever cleaned were given to me by a friend, and were only cleaned because they came out of a house fire. i allow my cymbals to gather a little dirt, gives 'em character.
 
So I guess the general opinion is that I should buy a good set of cymbals & use them to clean up my dogs shit for a week or two, let it dry then batter away :eek: :D

You see if I bought good cymbals, I'd have to polish them every night :rolleyes: I just have too much respect for my stuff I guess :confused: (not that you guys don't!!). I don't want to come across as overly anal, but the way I see instruments is that they are tools to get a job done, so keeping things pristine makes me enjoy playing them. There's another side though: I have a fender usa deluxe strat & I hardly play it, because it's in too good condition to play :p I think I need a smack on the chin, I know :rolleyes: My tele is a pile of crap & I play that all the time :D
 
With tender understanding, gentle conversation, and lots & lots of communication.

...and angry violent prison-rape butt sex.
 
not to regress, but somebody mentioned the "Feel" of cymbals.

different cymbals ABSOLUTELY feel different a lot of times. it has to do with how it was hammered out (or wasnt :eek: )--- the hammering creates or lessens tension in the metal, depending on what the cymbalsmith is trying to make the cymbal do. there is more to it than that, but the final "voice" of a cymbal is very dependent on how it was hammered and lathed (or not).
the point:
cymbals with high tension like a typical "metal" ride, for example, feel a lot "harder" than a low tension one, like a wobbly old K. this not only affects stick response, pitch and volume, but can even contribute to wrist pain and other nasties. the "hard" cymbals arent very forgiving.

also, with regard to lathing.... aggressive cleaners are very much capable of changing the character of a cymbal by changing the nature of the lathing grooves. likewise, anything that "polishes" or "coats"--- the polish is abrasive, whether or not it is very aggressive, which "rounds" the peaks of the grooves, and coatings or wax can collect in the valleys. on a cymbal with mild lathing, the effect may be negligible, but one one with heavy lathing, the character can completely be changed--- IME, always for the worse. the lathing affects the sound of a cymbal more than you might think. if you have a crap cymbal to sacrifice, try sanding the lathing grooves smooth and see what it sounds like!

sorry for the brief derail....
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sorry for the brief derail

Not at all, all related & exactly the type of info that helps ;) It's an open discussion anyway, not a strict & fixed question. I kind of like the idea of a cymbal "giving" a little when I play. I know my current cymbals are crap, but they make me cringe a little when I play them. Seem very hard to play. I've heard that some jazz drummers used to soak the tips of their sticks, to reduce the attack & dull the click. It's something I'm definatley looking to get rid of. I like to hear the cymbal not the click of wood on metal!!
 
I recently sold all my drum gear and started over fresh. I have a combination of Meinl soundcaster custom crashes and Zildjian A custom Hi hat and Ping ride-all with brilliant finish. After handling the cymbals a few times as my new drumset progressed with a rack etc. etc. my cymbals quickly gathered fingerprints and a slight layer of tarnish. I found out that lemon juice works excellent for fingerprints/light tarnish. The best method I have found is to lay a small towel over the cymbal then pour the lemon juice on the towel until completely saturated. Let it sit on the cymbal 5-10 minutes then begin wiping in the direction of the lathing. I use a small towel/clothe and do a section of the cymbal at a time. Then I use a wet clothe to wipe clean followed by a dry cloth to buff to a high luster. I know what your thinking- but it works! I tried it on a 10 year old splash cymbal with great results as well. This method probably wont get great results on crusty cymbals with funk on them. IMO new/clean cymbals sound the brightest-this is why many artists record with brand new cymbals. I believe the "dirty" cymbal theory to be closely related to the "cymbals sound better the more you hit them" theory.
 
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Hi,

I've never felt the need of cleanning my cymbals. Usually good quality cymbals are less likely to get dirty. I've had Solar cymbals that got fingerprints everywhere and soon became kind of brown... However, now, I'm using HHX, AA, AAX, from Sabian, and Ks form Zildjian, and apart from very little fingerprints, the most part of dirtiness comes from stick marks. I must admit I've never cleaned a cymbal but I can't say I've felt the tone and the resonance of my cymbals decrease over years. Sometimes, I think that cymbal cleaners are more an esthetic thing rather than a protection and sound thing. Plus, companies are just making more money with those products... I've seen drummer playing with rides so dirty that you could even tell the name of the company and yet, they sounded very, very good! Anyways, as I said, for my personnal experience, after having played with the same cymbals over 7 years, I've never needed to clean them and it still looks (and sound!) as new!

Hope this helps!
P-A
 
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In the spare bedroom here, under piles of stuff, lurks my old set...

Big Zildian ride, crisp bell on it...
Zildjian crash, hi hats....

*all vintage; all actually made by hand in Turkey; late 70's...*

you have to get this plastic bottle from Zildjian, its like suntan lotion, LMAO... that and elbow grease and a piece of chammy

I DREAD getting them out after all these years, how long it will take to polish all that triple lpated hardware, and the cymbals will take forever, LMAO
 
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