VOXVENDOR
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Whats with all the shouting?
Kramer
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erichenryus said:
and yet another positive side effect of having kids.
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LongWaveStudio
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yeah, nickelback use triggered kick drums. i do aswell sometimes, if the player isn't being consitent or if im after a different sound.
a lot of the production i hear these days are using live kits, but are triggering just the snare, or kick. if the whole kit was triggered, it'd sound like a set of roland vdrums!...not very nice!
sometimes, mixing a sample in with the real snare or something can work. after listening to avril laveignes album, iheard this done a lot, a kinda 8bit snare 'noise' sample mixed with the original gave it this totally new snare sound.
experiement...but play with tuning and use different drums/mics first!
a lot of the production i hear these days are using live kits, but are triggering just the snare, or kick. if the whole kit was triggered, it'd sound like a set of roland vdrums!...not very nice!
sometimes, mixing a sample in with the real snare or something can work. after listening to avril laveignes album, iheard this done a lot, a kinda 8bit snare 'noise' sample mixed with the original gave it this totally new snare sound.
experiement...but play with tuning and use different drums/mics first!
I
int
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fenix said:
Best response I've ever seen.
Anyways, in order of importance, imo:
1.) the Player
2.) The drum
3.) Tuning
4.) Heads
I bought a kit about six months ago, and by far, the smartest thing I've done is to find the head that worked best for my drum and tuned it to my liking. Evans heads didn't work, but this cheap Remo that nobody recommended tunes up nicely (on my Tama Rosewood piccolo snare) without too much ring. It's great for the loud stuff I do.
But, our old drummer used my snare (until he got his Pork Pie) with Evans heads with great success. He played different than I do though.
I've have the RemOs ,but the last song Irecorded has a great sounding snare attack, but the lack of ring (due to the Os) ruins it for me. But the drummer liked it at the time, so what can you do?
I'm going to try the playdough/silly putty route next time. Good idea - thanks.
Booda
Master of the Obvious
Moongel Users... What differences is there w/ using the moongel pads over Duck Tape?
The Weight I guess... I have 4 pieces of Dtape 1 1/2" x 2" on the top, bottom, and 2 sides (4 corners) on my snare. & 2 pieces on my floor tom. Right now I'm getting just enough ring.
The only thing I can see w/ the Moongel is it being easier too move around & find the spot. & if your working w/ different drummers your not sticking tape all over their heads.... but if it's just your own kit whats the advantage?
Thanks,
B.
The Weight I guess... I have 4 pieces of Dtape 1 1/2" x 2" on the top, bottom, and 2 sides (4 corners) on my snare. & 2 pieces on my floor tom. Right now I'm getting just enough ring.
The only thing I can see w/ the Moongel is it being easier too move around & find the spot. & if your working w/ different drummers your not sticking tape all over their heads.... but if it's just your own kit whats the advantage?
Thanks,
B.
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mentil69
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can someone explain what triggers are?
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Analytical Man
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triggers Explained
Mentil69...Triggers are a sort of attatchment that you put on the suface of the drum head that has a 1/4 inch input like a guitar jack. from that you use a cable, like you would a guitar, and the cable runs into a drum module. It is like a drum machine, only you are "triggering" the drumsounds in realtime. What you play on the real acoustic drum goes through the cable into the drum module, and whatever sound you have set for that trigger comes out the other end of that into your P.A. Recorder, whatever. It uses vibrations of your hits, which triggers the sampled drum sounds. Hope this helps.
Mentil69...Triggers are a sort of attatchment that you put on the suface of the drum head that has a 1/4 inch input like a guitar jack. from that you use a cable, like you would a guitar, and the cable runs into a drum module. It is like a drum machine, only you are "triggering" the drumsounds in realtime. What you play on the real acoustic drum goes through the cable into the drum module, and whatever sound you have set for that trigger comes out the other end of that into your P.A. Recorder, whatever. It uses vibrations of your hits, which triggers the sampled drum sounds. Hope this helps.
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mentil69
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that sounds like a cool idea but is it always accurate. and where can i learn more bout them?
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Analytical Man
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Trigger Sensitivity
Trigger sensitivity is a funny thing. it can be done very accurately now due to some enhancements in the modules. You have various parameters that are changable to suit the player. You can control how hard of a hit it takes to trigger the drum, that way it can tell the difference between say, a bump and an actual hit. AS well there are cross talk parameters that you set so as not to allow other drum hits and vibrations to set of adjacent triggers. You can also set the volume of your triggered sound, say you got some gimp who can't play double bass with consistant loudness hits from both feet, you can have the triggered sound for both bass drums locked at a certain volume, or you can leave it so the hits differ in volume depending upon th velocity that you hit the drum. In other words it will leave more dynamics in the playing. . These are all things that differ greatly on the player, thier ability, and the kit itself. For my self in order to make my drums track and trigger perfectly i have the, "dreaded under the head dampeners" which i think kick ass. My drums have tons of punch, no shitty overtones, and just enough sustain. But it controls a little more of the vibrations that way. If you are into metal you should get into triggers, tons, and tons, and tons of bands use triggers...mainly on snare, and bass drum, but sometimes on toms as well. Another cool function of having a drum module, you can track a persons drums acoustically, and if a certain drum, for instance the bass drum sounds like shit you can use your module in a loop type thing and it will replace your old drum hits. Most people on this forum don't like triggers because they do not know how to properly attain dynamics, and consistancy in a balance with them. If used correctly and mixed with acoustic drums you can acheive a totally convincing proffessional sound with triggered drums. Always use some real cymbals. Hope this helps, there are some resources on triggers that i will give you, or at least steer you in the direction of anyway. Later
Trigger sensitivity is a funny thing. it can be done very accurately now due to some enhancements in the modules. You have various parameters that are changable to suit the player. You can control how hard of a hit it takes to trigger the drum, that way it can tell the difference between say, a bump and an actual hit. AS well there are cross talk parameters that you set so as not to allow other drum hits and vibrations to set of adjacent triggers. You can also set the volume of your triggered sound, say you got some gimp who can't play double bass with consistant loudness hits from both feet, you can have the triggered sound for both bass drums locked at a certain volume, or you can leave it so the hits differ in volume depending upon th velocity that you hit the drum. In other words it will leave more dynamics in the playing. . These are all things that differ greatly on the player, thier ability, and the kit itself. For my self in order to make my drums track and trigger perfectly i have the, "dreaded under the head dampeners" which i think kick ass. My drums have tons of punch, no shitty overtones, and just enough sustain. But it controls a little more of the vibrations that way. If you are into metal you should get into triggers, tons, and tons, and tons of bands use triggers...mainly on snare, and bass drum, but sometimes on toms as well. Another cool function of having a drum module, you can track a persons drums acoustically, and if a certain drum, for instance the bass drum sounds like shit you can use your module in a loop type thing and it will replace your old drum hits. Most people on this forum don't like triggers because they do not know how to properly attain dynamics, and consistancy in a balance with them. If used correctly and mixed with acoustic drums you can acheive a totally convincing proffessional sound with triggered drums. Always use some real cymbals. Hope this helps, there are some resources on triggers that i will give you, or at least steer you in the direction of anyway. Later
jmorris
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difference between moongel and duct tape
I would think that the moongel absorbs the resonance(why cant I spell that?) where as the duct tape would just muffle a bit?? Sound right?
I would think that the moongel absorbs the resonance(why cant I spell that?) where as the duct tape would just muffle a bit?? Sound right?
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jmproductions
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Booda said:
Moongel is like magic is all can say. It's not anything like tape or something that just adds weight to the head. I couldn't believe how well the stuff worked on snare drum the first time I used it!
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Dan DA
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I agree on the moongel.. it's nothing like duct tape. I dampens without muffling, if that makes sense.
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alexspetty
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another form of trigger.
you dont need a physical device attached to your drum to elicit for triggers.
you can also use a signal treshold on the channel for the given drum and replace the hit dynamically with the desired sample post tracking.
-alex
you dont need a physical device attached to your drum to elicit for triggers.
you can also use a signal treshold on the channel for the given drum and replace the hit dynamically with the desired sample post tracking.
-alex