HOw do I start my own production company

[Buffalo Bob]

Sorry I left you out, "pM of impk21.co"!

Who can forget this insightful post?


"LOL, I like that, your a damned liar, cuz youz gonna get mu all yup setteded..."


Hard to argue with that sentiment!



Thanks for the entertainment.

 

[The General]

borednbuzzed,

Neither myself, or the VMG Staff and Management give a rat’s patootie whether or not you spend any money with us. It’s not a requirement to read our site and apply the information.

From the content of your post, it seems that you’re like all the rest of the locals who do not read the site before you start blasting it and therefore have the DELUSION our contracts and mode of operation are the same as all the other Majors. W-R-O-N-G! Record Companies that finance pipe dreams never fail to turn that dream into a no-money nightmare. If you’d read our site, you’d know that, and how to avoid it.

Ben Folds … is a prime example! He didn’t go ‘indie’ because Epic (CRG) was paying him a ton of money - or for the arts - he was being robbed blind due the contract he got himself horsed into! His organization put a lot of money on the table (as have hundreds of other artists) to get his product released on Epic and distributed via Sony’s Columbia Record Group (CRG) - and got themselves taken to the cleaners by signing away the Executive Producer’s rights and earnings. A very stupid move. When the CHARGE BACK (recoupables) came due, he owed the company untold scads of money.

He signed the very contract most posters here say they don’t want, and have a defecation hemorrhage about me/VMG telling you how to avoid it. The object is NOT to throw career and all away to get out of such a rotten deal, the object is to AVOID such damned deals to begin with.

Don’t think so? Then ask Bo Diddley, Kenny Rogers, Meat Loaf, Toni Braxton, TLC, Clint Black, Prince, Dixie Chicks and a few hundred others. When the record company pays all the bills, they keep all the money! Period. When you see someone who actually makes and keeps the money, I’ll show you an Executive Producer that didn’t sign away those ExP rights! Period on that one too. No exceptions. Thus, the reason for the VMG site. It’s all explained there, and in no uncertain terms. The fact the Idiot Element doesn’t pay attention to either facts or realities of this Best Of All Industries is their problem.

And you’re really full of it if you think for one minute VMG is “ruining” this Best Of All Industries! We’re the hell raisers in the crowd. It was VMG who blew the whistle on all the major trade mags’ phony charts, and that was in 1989! We called Billboard, Cashbox, Radio & Records (R&R), Gavin, Indie Bullet and Record Rack all into public account - AND WE WON!

Cashbox, Indie Bullet and Record Rack folded entirely, Billboard, R&R and Gavin went into receivership! Billboard sold out to VNU and R&R is too broke to pay attention. Gavin folded a year or so ago. The recent Billboard/SoundSCAM fiasco of a #1 record for Eminem is writing on the wall for them again. The Billboard chart is reputedly the result of SoundSCAM’s monitoring sales via computers/cash registers - so how the hell did a record that hadn’t been manufactured yet manage to trip all those registers in the check out line?

If making public knowledge of such SCAMs is ruining the music industry, one thing is damned sure clear. The likes of you certainly aren’t worth the effort!

Fortunately, the rest of the industry is.

And you’re off the mark if you think the multi-billion dollar companies - most who make or control the manufacture of internet equipment too - are going to just disappear because of any number of on-line sites. They have all the necessary money and expertise to rule this roost too, and I personally guarantee you, such plans are already in implementation! They’ve been on the drawing board for several years and are now well advanced. Just look for the Majors to go more electronic than hard product until it’s virtually all electronic.


pM of impk21.co

You’re right that your talent will take you where your want to go. You just have to know how to avoid the land mines along the way. And there are a lot of them. I know, at some time or other I’ve stepped on every damned one of them - and found they reload instantly!


CyanJaguar

All United Kingdom publications read like one author, even the tabloids. Perhaps it’s because of Editorial control, a far worse situation than we have here. A lot of people investigate and write, one person makes the final copy.

If you have any specific questions, either email me direct or post them here. Just let me know one way or the other so I can get you the info (if I can This industry is needlessly complex to an extreme degree in most cases. So keeping each part separated until it becomes the next link in the chain can be a real issue.

thegeneral@vmgworldwide.com

TDA

 

[Outlaws]

Hey General, Why are you so hung up on sefending yourself over here?

 

[The General]

Outlaws,

Simple, you half-baked jackass! I've spent a life time exposing the nonsense, crack pot ideas, congames and scams in this Best Of All Industries (you know, the stupidities you think are god, law and gospel). Experience has shown that due to the likes of you - unless the details are spelled out in absolute terms - the hopefuls trying to break into this business will follow such idiocies because they've been repeated so much! The same applies to wannabes who have failed all their lives.

And anytime I let one of you know-nothing back-stabbing bastards go unanswered, it's read by the rest of you as a victory.

Just don't hold your breath until you win one over me.

TDA

 

[ChristopherM]

FYI, the “n-word” in the United Kingdom doesn’t spell the same derogatory as it does here, nor for that manner anywhere else in the world.

I have several English, Scottish, and South African friends who will disagree with you there. The word "nigger" is just plain derogatory.

 

[Flo' Dolo]

Flo’ Dolo,

You can take your excuses and shove them too!

I always wonder what the Idiot likes of you would think if it ever dawned on you that when Leadbelly was teaching me to play, he referred to his favorite music as “Nigger Blues”. And he never changed it. All black company, all white company, mixed company, high, low, rich or dirt poor, he never changed the call. He wasn’t a hypocrite about anything else in his life either.

But if a white guy called him a nigger, you can't convince me he would've thought that was cool - unless it was your cozy ass, of course...

In those days Black Artists were literally the last in line, especially at radio...

If you know so much about "those days," and was so tight with black folks then there's no way you could, in good conscience or with respect for your "friends," or associates, or strangers put that shit on your website. Clearly, the author wasn't offering up a term of endearment. Neither are you, in my opinion.

I may be an idiot, but i'm no racist. All the names I could think to call you, and never would they be racist epithets. If you don't got a problem with "the n - word" (judging by your actions), how long before you call me a nigger? And when it happens, do you really expect me to be ok with it? To not say anything? To just accept it?

There’s a lot of things in this Best Of all Industries I don’t like. And Idiot Elements like you...serve no other purpose to mankind than to spew your hatred and stupid shit that can’t even be used for fertilizer, top the list.

I'm spewing hatred & stupid shit? You need to get off that shit you smoke, leave that snuff alone, lay off the 12 packs, or whatever the case may be. Just say "no," cousin. Just say no...

I’ve seen the likes of you for ages. Until the invention of the internet gave you more public voice, most people didn’t even suspect your kind even existed.

Yeah, and if the slaves weren't freed, and if this country wasn't legally desegregated, and if blacks couldn't vote, and if the minorities would stop taking jobs, and if...

I'll bet you have seen the likes of me. Otherwise, I wouldn't be sitting at my own computer, using my own internet access, and have the developed mental faculties (ie: your vocabulary at my disposal) to point out your active, painful, pathetic racist bend. "My kind" has always existed.

But since you do have public access via the net, I like for you to do yourself a favor: Check all the threads of the spewing bastards like yourself and Outlaws from the earliest days of Dave Hooper’s Indie Board through the demise of mp3.jackass, and see if you can find ONE (1) SUCCESS!

You chicken shit motherfucker. If I was a racist, you'd fucking disappoint me. You're still hiding behind everything but your truth. Fuck Hooper Whoever & Acme.com, this is about your company. After this, I'm done with this thread.

The reason is simple. I refuse to be ‘politically correct’ even though I don’t like the “n”-word either, and I’ll be damned if I’ll concede any point of who I am, what I do, how or why I do it, under any terms or conditions whatsoever. My use license says “unedited”, and By God it will remain UNEDITED.

"Politically correct" to NOT use the word "nigger?" It's been shamefully "correct" to use that word in this country since day one, and it ain't how you claim leadbelly, redbelly, or Fred Belly, used it in your company. And why you callin' it the "n"- word now, when you encourage people from all over the world to look at your website where the whole, nasty word is used?

And now, since you're hiding behind your license which says "unedited," I see fo' sho you're too punk to just say what you really feel. Behind all that hot air and haughtiness, hidden inside whatever music-related stuff you have posted there, are still the sentiments of cat who, at best, doesn't respect black people just because they're not white people (and only God knows what you think about other minorities), and who at worst condones referring to them as "niggers" - not only in his private life, but very openly in his professional life. The next thing you read about this won't be on the internet, at least not before you get sent a hardcopy. I'll be sure to leave the poor punctuation and slang on the BBS, too...


DJ (Flo') Dolo

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"The reason is simple. I refuse to be ‘politically correct’ even though I don’t like the “n”-word either, and I’ll be damned if I’ll concede any point of who I am, what I do, how or why I do it, under any terms or conditions whatsoever. My use license says “unedited”, and By God it will remain UNEDITED. "

Bobby Farrell,
Vandor Motion Pictures,
Phonograph Records
And Music Publishing Group
December 7, 2003
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[borednbuzzed]

General,

I have to offer my apologies... It was a mistake because when reading your list's of studio's I had mistaken BMI and thought BMG instead. So then I thought "this guy is just a tryin' to rob people blind!", upon further review I realized my mistake. Sorry, and after further inspection on your website I have found you to be the good guys in the big biz.

BUT, I really think you need to take the word "nigger" off your website. There is no benefit in having the word on there, you only seem to be pissin' people off by it. You say you're not racist, and fine, I believe you're truly not but really just chalk it up to talkin' shit, typin' fast and not thinkin'... whatever, but it's only hurting you having it on there.

 

[The General]

ChristopherM

You’re right, the “n”-word IS derogatory. So is “NAZI”, but I noticed NONE of you had a problem with that word being used against me!


Flo’ Dolo,

“Your kind” is abject jackass whining at every fart in a hurricane, and race has nothing to do with it.

That’s why your rhetoric is beneath contempt.


borednbuzzed,

I don’t like the “n”-word there either, but the information IIR produced is far more valuable than one word somebody might not like. I know for a fact the “n”-word is used constantly in the Black Community, and without offense!

Hope the site information, and my feeble contributions to it, will be of some value to you and your venture in music and entertainment.

If you have specific questions - as this Industry can get damned cloudy on occasion - email me your telehorn number and we’ll chat on my dime. Though I’m in semi-retirement, VMG still pays me to give my consulting services (to anybody except the majors free of charge and obligation. FYI, when any of the so-called Super Companies need me to bail out their stupidities, my fees are as obscene as their contracts!

Thanks.

TDA

 

[pM of impk21.co]

Damn

I hope I got the link right, but I figure since everyone is viewing this thread, I could advertise my legit question about some mixing issues and some gear I wanna get. Maybe nobody has replyed cuz they dont know, but I need a freakin answer:0.. so if you know jack about mixing and monitors, check it out. If the link dont work, jus go to Mixing/mastering you'll see me. Thanx, pM



https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=106480

 

[ChristopherM]

ChristopherM

You’re right, the “n”-word IS derogatory. So is “NAZI”, but I noticed NONE of you had a problem with that word being used against me!

Actually, I DO have a problem with the word "Nazi." I never used that word, much less "against" you.
In fact, I haven't used any words "against" you, have I?

All I did was take issue with a statement of yours which I believe to be in error:
"FYI, the 'n-word' in the United Kingdom doesn’t spell the same derogatory as it does here, nor for that manner anywhere else in the world."

 

[borednbuzzed]

You know, I'm kinda seeing The General's point here with his article that contains the bad word. He did not write it, therefore if you want to bitch at someone it should be taken up with the IIR or Everest Whyte who wrote the article. And the article besides that paragraph is very informative. General, would it be too hard to ask Mr. Whyte (ironic last name huh?)to redo the article without offending anyone. I understand that offending "The Idiot Element" no matter what what they look like is expected on your website, but there is no need to offend a whole race of people. I mean really, the paragraph doesn't even make sense. I don't know what "American Nigger English" is... and why would a burnt out hippie be speaking it? Wouldn't that be like stoner english or burnt out hippie English?

But, to get back to the point of what this forum is all about, your site gives very good information about what to do as an artist to get on the right track with out getting fucked over, but what about as a producer? Like, how would I get from working in my home studio to owning my own commericial studio that works with Vandor to produce top notch talent? Oh, and I'm poor, how does someone go about covering expenses of all this? Do these ?'s make sense? I appreciate any advice or in sight.

Scott

 

[The General]

ChristopherM,

No, you didn't use the Nazi word against me, but you also didn't rag on those who did like you have about the "n"-word on my site.

And, NOWHERE else in the world were people enslaved because they were Black! Sold into slavery by their own people! Let alone used as an excuse to extend a Civil War! I can fully understand why a Negro in the US would have a HUGE problem with being called anything derogatory. But obviously, such abuse only applies to Negroes, and nobody else.

Let the diatribes begin ... Outlaws, you're up! Just leave room for Flo' Dolo ...

TDA

 

[ChristopherM]

ChristopherM,

No, you didn't use the Nazi word against me, but you also didn't rag on those who did like you have about the "n"-word on my site.

Geez, General. I didn't "rag" on you either.
I just disagreed.

WTF?!?

 

[The General]

ChristopherM,

But 'conveniently' NOT with those calling me a Nazi!

You can't have it both ways!

When the 'moderators' and posters on this board hold and enforce the same standards for everybody ... which would have to include the unsubstantiated and false accusations, THEN we’ll all be receptive to the current non-existent equality and non-hypocritical postings.

I won’t hold my breath. I don’t’ look good in purple at all, especially in the face. … On second thought, and reflection (in my beer glass), purple would definitely be an improvement in my face!

No offense, ChristopherM, just the facts.

TDA

 

[ChristopherM]

ChristopherM,

But 'conveniently' NOT with those calling me a Nazi!

You can't have it both ways!

When the 'moderators' and posters on this board hold and enforce the same standards for everybody ... which would have to include the unsubstantiated and false accusations, THEN we’ll all be receptive to the current non-existent equality and non-hypocritical postings.

I won’t hold my breath. I don’t’ look good in purple at all, especially in the face. … On second thought, and reflection (in my beer glass), purple would definitely be an improvement in my face!

No offense, ChristopherM, just the facts.

TDA

I don't get what you're saying here.

I made a comment regarding your statement that the word "nigger" is not offensive in other countries.

No one here made any such statement regarding the word "nazi," or I would have commented to them as well.

Why in the world are you trying to escalate this to a flame war?

 

[bdbdbuck]

When the 'moderators' and posters on this board hold and enforce the same standards for everybody ... which would have to include the unsubstantiated and false accusations, THEN we’ll all be receptive to the current non-existent equality and non-hypocritical postings.

I won’t hold my breath. I don’t’ look good in purple at all, especially in the face. … On second thought, and reflection (in my beer glass), purple would definitely be an improvement in my face!

No offense, ChristopherM, just the facts.

TDA

The "Moderators" don't exist here.... haven't for some time now. This board is like the wild west as you have been able to discern.

bd

 

[The General]

From Outlaws,



Fucking NAZI!


There is a second thread devoted to him being a nazi too.

And just WHAT would you call that exerpt from Page 1 on this thread?

Don't need or want a flame war ... won't run from one either.



TDA

 

[ChristopherM]

From Outlaws,



Fucking NAZI!


There is a second thread devoted to him being a nazi too.

And just WHAT would you call that exerpt from Page 1 on this thread?

Don't need or want a flame war ... won't run from one either.



TDA

OK. So he called you a nazi. That wasn't very nice. I don't agree with it.

Back again to the original point of my original post, which was simply to point out that the word "nigger" is offensive in countries other than the US.

Please direct me to the post where Outlaws states that "nazi" does not have the same negative connotation in the UK or other countries as it does in the US.

 

[The General]

ChristopherM,

We obviously agree on more things than we disagree. And while the “n”-word is offensive, it is not as offensive in some other countries and cultures.

I’ve had the privilege of traveling a great deal, as an entertainer, record executive, IGY-2 radio navigator, mission/rescue commander, scholar, archeologist support and the list goes on. I’ve spent a lot of time in the dirt with the common people on every continent. I’ve learned far more than I taught, and didn’t have the time to learn all they could have taught me. But, I can tell you on first hand authority, the “n”-word does NOT have the same connotation in most of those Cultures as it does here. And slavery here in the US is in all probability the prime reason.

In fact, in my limited time in Chad, I learned the parallel term for our “n”-word actually means “faithful servant”. And since Chad still maintains legalized slavery, although it’s becoming popular to keep that fact hidden, the word and point still stands. It’s pronounced somewhere close to “nea-gray” but doesn’t men black or negro. When I heard the term and wanted a clarification (since I speak fluent West Virginian, sometimes confused as English) I was told, “nigger”. It surprised me, but there it was. To make sure I wasn’t being mis-informed by someone who didn’t understand American English any more than I understood French Arabic, Bantu or Sudanese (which is a big fat zero), I asked all three of our team translators, and got the same answer.

I found about the same thing in Australia, Malaysia, Philippines, Brazil, Nigeria, Peru and India, among a few dozen other places. It wasn’t a blanket factor by any means, but there were the exceptions as most Americans perceive the situation. Things have probably changed a great deal since my last major excursion, to Egypt and then Mexico’s Yucatan. Even so, I have no idea what the Reporter and Editors at IIR had in mind with that statement, but they certainly did it for a reason. Their research and follow-up were, and still are, immaculate, so I saw no reason for the comment - other than their possible contempt for white people talking like uneducated blacks - which I hold as damned offensive too! Ask the Black Community about the old radio show “Amos & Andy” and that point becomes abundantly clear.

As for Outlaws, he doesn’t know anything except how to be perpetually stupid. But I do have to give him credit for having the tenacity to display it at all costs!

TDA

 

[ChristopherM]

Ah...but in listing all your travels, you didn't mention Scotland, England, or South Africa, did you?

Oh well...

I get your point though.