bdbdbuck
New member
Oh, I'm sorry flo........... I guess the whole fucking world owes you a personal apology.
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T
The General
New member
First to all readers and responders to this thread:
The biggest problem with Outlaws and Flo’ Dolo is: they can’t find one damned thing criminal or untoward against me or VMG, because there aren’t any. Thus they have to attempt to sell themselves as know-somethings, and with each and every post they make it very clear they are know-nothings!
A cursory search brings up VMG & Company all over the LEGITIMATE industry. An intensive search shows absolutely nothing of credible activity or important about either Outlaws or Flo’ Dolo. Nothing.
And, there is a very sound reason for it. BOTH are neck deep in all the never-did-work Beer Joint Baritone DELUSIONS this Best Of All Industries is so overloaded with, have been all their lives, and too gutless to admit it even to themselves. Show me a strike-out in this business, and I’ll show you a Beer Joint Baritone delusion held as god, law and gospel somewhere in that pile.
Yesterday, December 5th, marked my sixty first anniversary in this crazy business. In all those sixty years I’ve seen the same damnable idiocies tried and re-tried - in every element of this industry - with only the technological improvement terms added to the language. And in all those same sixty years I’ve NEVER seen any of them work! Stupidity is stupidity, regardless of how you wrap it.
Tragically, there isn’t any real source of TRUE KNOWLEDGE in or about this business as a business available anywhere in all academia. There should be. There isn’t. All the “how to” books are written by people who NEVER-DID-IT-THEMSELVES and most are sorely lacking in very critical areas of a somewhat complex business. Universities and post-grad schools teach an enormous pool of how to “play/perform” music, but there isn’t one QUALIFIED course in HOW TO EXPLOIT THAT ABILITY TO MAKE A LIVING, let alone become wealthy, any where in any school. Period. We searched them all. Not a damned one had even a clue. All we found were the same never-did-work myths and delusions you can pick up in any live music gin mill.
And like the Idiot Element here, any point of TRUTH that disproves their very-high-priced stupidities is met with a fire storm! And that is as good a place as any to leave that whole self-inflicted clan, burning in Hell, where they ought to be.
Outlaws,
Perhaps you can explain some of your stupidity to the rest of us (I just hope it isn’t catching) … with this reply I have a total of 15 posts … most in answer to some spewing, know-nothing crack pot on an idiot tangent, and NONE posted in every forum and thread in sight (spamming?). So where in the hell do you get the idea that I’m a spammer?
Flo’
Again, I rest my case.
But I’m glad to know your idiocy will remain intact as long as your rectum points down!
bdbdbuck
THANKS! But you’re ‘way to hell over their heads.
Now if the Idiot Element will control their bowel movements coming out of the wrong end … we can get back to the original intent of this thread and answer some relevant questions.
TDA
The biggest problem with Outlaws and Flo’ Dolo is: they can’t find one damned thing criminal or untoward against me or VMG, because there aren’t any. Thus they have to attempt to sell themselves as know-somethings, and with each and every post they make it very clear they are know-nothings!
A cursory search brings up VMG & Company all over the LEGITIMATE industry. An intensive search shows absolutely nothing of credible activity or important about either Outlaws or Flo’ Dolo. Nothing.
And, there is a very sound reason for it. BOTH are neck deep in all the never-did-work Beer Joint Baritone DELUSIONS this Best Of All Industries is so overloaded with, have been all their lives, and too gutless to admit it even to themselves. Show me a strike-out in this business, and I’ll show you a Beer Joint Baritone delusion held as god, law and gospel somewhere in that pile.
Yesterday, December 5th, marked my sixty first anniversary in this crazy business. In all those sixty years I’ve seen the same damnable idiocies tried and re-tried - in every element of this industry - with only the technological improvement terms added to the language. And in all those same sixty years I’ve NEVER seen any of them work! Stupidity is stupidity, regardless of how you wrap it.
Tragically, there isn’t any real source of TRUE KNOWLEDGE in or about this business as a business available anywhere in all academia. There should be. There isn’t. All the “how to” books are written by people who NEVER-DID-IT-THEMSELVES and most are sorely lacking in very critical areas of a somewhat complex business. Universities and post-grad schools teach an enormous pool of how to “play/perform” music, but there isn’t one QUALIFIED course in HOW TO EXPLOIT THAT ABILITY TO MAKE A LIVING, let alone become wealthy, any where in any school. Period. We searched them all. Not a damned one had even a clue. All we found were the same never-did-work myths and delusions you can pick up in any live music gin mill.
And like the Idiot Element here, any point of TRUTH that disproves their very-high-priced stupidities is met with a fire storm! And that is as good a place as any to leave that whole self-inflicted clan, burning in Hell, where they ought to be.
Outlaws,
Perhaps you can explain some of your stupidity to the rest of us (I just hope it isn’t catching) … with this reply I have a total of 15 posts … most in answer to some spewing, know-nothing crack pot on an idiot tangent, and NONE posted in every forum and thread in sight (spamming?). So where in the hell do you get the idea that I’m a spammer?
Flo’
Again, I rest my case.
But I’m glad to know your idiocy will remain intact as long as your rectum points down!
bdbdbuck
THANKS! But you’re ‘way to hell over their heads.
Now if the Idiot Element will control their bowel movements coming out of the wrong end … we can get back to the original intent of this thread and answer some relevant questions.
TDA
Flo' Dolo
New member
General, I too rest my case.
And seeing as you refuse to touch on the opening sentence in that article I keep referring to - which has NOTHING to do with the music business by the way - but intead choose to make feeble claims at my lack of knowledge or success in the music business, I can only resign myself, AGAIN, to honor-as-fact your insensitive attitude towards minorities, and general condescenion & disdain for people who don't speak the king's english.
It's unfortunate, because you may really be able to help some people achieve their dreams of success within the music industry. I see now, that in order for those who speak american nigger english to do so, would entail them selling themselves in spirit to you & your contributor's philosophies.
I'm not challenging you on what you or your company knows or does, and I never have. Like i've said repeatedly, you may really be on some fly-assed shit, know your stuff, help people "succeed," and so on. But to those your contributor so brazenly defiled & disrespected, and to those who's identity you won't defend (or at least protect if they're your clients), your still a scammer. "Pay me your money, toss me your integrity, and i'll help you get where you wanna go." Crossroads, Part II...
I can't speak for Outlaws, but me & my partners are far from unsuccessful, particularly if your standards include a piece of shit plaque to hang on a wall. If I told you, you'd know, but it doesn't matter since I know you'd respect me no more for my accomplishments. A nigger is a nigger is a nigger, right?
All these active threads about race & race relations in America can all be put to rest now - at least where I'm concerned. Your obvious avoidance to directly address what I've asked you about, steadfast acceptance of your contributor's mentality, and wholehearted support from other members on this forum not only speaks volumes about America, but also about how our U.K. brethern see those who aren't "melanin-challenged."
Thanks for helping to illustrate my point.
regards,
dj dolo
And seeing as you refuse to touch on the opening sentence in that article I keep referring to - which has NOTHING to do with the music business by the way - but intead choose to make feeble claims at my lack of knowledge or success in the music business, I can only resign myself, AGAIN, to honor-as-fact your insensitive attitude towards minorities, and general condescenion & disdain for people who don't speak the king's english.
It's unfortunate, because you may really be able to help some people achieve their dreams of success within the music industry. I see now, that in order for those who speak american nigger english to do so, would entail them selling themselves in spirit to you & your contributor's philosophies.
I'm not challenging you on what you or your company knows or does, and I never have. Like i've said repeatedly, you may really be on some fly-assed shit, know your stuff, help people "succeed," and so on. But to those your contributor so brazenly defiled & disrespected, and to those who's identity you won't defend (or at least protect if they're your clients), your still a scammer. "Pay me your money, toss me your integrity, and i'll help you get where you wanna go." Crossroads, Part II...
I can't speak for Outlaws, but me & my partners are far from unsuccessful, particularly if your standards include a piece of shit plaque to hang on a wall. If I told you, you'd know, but it doesn't matter since I know you'd respect me no more for my accomplishments. A nigger is a nigger is a nigger, right?
All these active threads about race & race relations in America can all be put to rest now - at least where I'm concerned. Your obvious avoidance to directly address what I've asked you about, steadfast acceptance of your contributor's mentality, and wholehearted support from other members on this forum not only speaks volumes about America, but also about how our U.K. brethern see those who aren't "melanin-challenged."
Thanks for helping to illustrate my point.
regards,
dj dolo
Flo' Dolo
New member
bdbdbuck...
Naw pops, you got it twisted.
I just asked dude why he chose not to edit that bullshit out -
his answer: the legality of it.
I asked how could he honestly expect me to trust him with my work when I know he thinks so poorly of me & people like me - his answer: he didn't have one.
Instead, he tried to show how ignorant I am about the music industry, even though I've not shared anything about my experience(s), successes, or failures.
A psychic and a racist all rolled into one. Whenever he wants, he can work the phone lines from home and be really successful, especially with you as his personal assistant.
Again, I don't necessarily doubt your friend's legitimacy.
Obviously, he devalues mine. It's funny how old people are so often stuck in their ways (and how younger people learn to be just like them). That must be the "beauty" of generational misuse and abuse, eh?
Nice way to foster a positive working relationship, don't you think?
I do have issues about his integrity & humanity regarding all the shit i've been posting to him.
I hate that you stood up for dude pertaining to what I was grilling him about by wholly ignoring the subject matter as if it wasn't important.
But hey, if I gotta "dress the part" to function successfully in this world, then it's only right that people doing business with the public speak & act the part, too.
Or maybe...
...you guys already are.
-----> fuck you, your racist friend, your weak defenses, and your unwelcomed, unneccesary, and unexpected apologies. Now who's "expecting" that someone wants a handout?!?
dj dolo
Naw pops, you got it twisted.
I just asked dude why he chose not to edit that bullshit out -
his answer: the legality of it.
I asked how could he honestly expect me to trust him with my work when I know he thinks so poorly of me & people like me - his answer: he didn't have one.
Instead, he tried to show how ignorant I am about the music industry, even though I've not shared anything about my experience(s), successes, or failures.
A psychic and a racist all rolled into one. Whenever he wants, he can work the phone lines from home and be really successful, especially with you as his personal assistant.
Again, I don't necessarily doubt your friend's legitimacy.
Obviously, he devalues mine. It's funny how old people are so often stuck in their ways (and how younger people learn to be just like them). That must be the "beauty" of generational misuse and abuse, eh?
Nice way to foster a positive working relationship, don't you think?
I do have issues about his integrity & humanity regarding all the shit i've been posting to him.
I hate that you stood up for dude pertaining to what I was grilling him about by wholly ignoring the subject matter as if it wasn't important.
But hey, if I gotta "dress the part" to function successfully in this world, then it's only right that people doing business with the public speak & act the part, too.
Or maybe...
...you guys already are.
-----> fuck you, your racist friend, your weak defenses, and your unwelcomed, unneccesary, and unexpected apologies. Now who's "expecting" that someone wants a handout?!?
dj dolo
Flo' Dolo
New member
Back on topic...
Datboylamar,
my suggestion to you is to ask again on this BBS when you can be sure that the guy who claims to have the most tools to answer your question isn't the same guy who thinks you're a nigger. Your user id already has you pegged, as far as he's concerned...
dj dolo
--> if you want my 2 cents, PM me and I'll shoot you an outline of what's worked for me over the years.
Datboylamar,
my suggestion to you is to ask again on this BBS when you can be sure that the guy who claims to have the most tools to answer your question isn't the same guy who thinks you're a nigger. Your user id already has you pegged, as far as he's concerned...
dj dolo
--> if you want my 2 cents, PM me and I'll shoot you an outline of what's worked for me over the years.
T
The General
New member
Flo' Dolo,
YOU'RE A DAMNED LIAR! There's absolutely NOTHING in the VMG site, me or my career that even tolerates racism - and my decades in this Best Of All Industries are clear documentation of that fact.
Your problem is, you have to find ANY excuse to blame any one else, or any thing else, for your abject failure to succeed in this - and probably all other - businesses. So you can get off your “Bobby Farrell is a racist” kick at any time. Nobody but the damned fools and self-inflicted idiots are buying so much as one word of it.
THE FACT IS: I have simply refused to stoop to your “Oh whine, poor me, someone used the 'n'-word so the whole world should jump to its socialist feet and stomp the rest of the planet” crass assed remarks. I am NOT going to change one word of any content in the VMG site, make any changes in my opinions or the operational standards of the way VMG does business to humor the slimey bastard elements who's only contributions are one more, "Oh, whine."
THE FACT IS: In 1948 I was in jail for protesting the violation of civil rights against Hudie "Leadbelly" Ledbetter - the famed BLACK folk artist who performed his way out of jail on several occasions. Long before the likes of you were even around and long before the hippie element socialists began their campaign of nothing-standards and legislated-enslavement under the guise of restoring civil rights to the Black Community. FYI, Leadbelly taught me to play guitar. I’m the little white boy who used to ride his shoulder. He died this date, December 6th, in 1949.
THE FACT IS: The President of Vandor Records Group and the Number One Man at VMG is black. A more honorable person than Lekan Parsons never lived. He certainly would NOT associate himself with ANYONE of a racist bent. Including you! And:
THE FACT IS: I have TWO Grand Final Mentions in the book, “HEART & SOUL, A Celebration of Black Music Style in America 1930-1975”, published by Stewart, Tabori & Chang and written by Bob Merlis and Davin Seay, for MY CONTRIBUTIONS TO BLACK MUSIC! Many of my Gold & Platinum Plaques (you know, those things you think are bullshit because you don’t have any) are by BLACK Artists. Everything from breaking them on network radio, to production, to sessions, to promotion, to distribution and a lot of other required logistics the damned fools like you don’t even know exists.
So, like I said, you can get off your “Bobby Farrell is a racist” kick, and shove your jackass lying opinions at the same time.
TDA
YOU'RE A DAMNED LIAR! There's absolutely NOTHING in the VMG site, me or my career that even tolerates racism - and my decades in this Best Of All Industries are clear documentation of that fact.
Your problem is, you have to find ANY excuse to blame any one else, or any thing else, for your abject failure to succeed in this - and probably all other - businesses. So you can get off your “Bobby Farrell is a racist” kick at any time. Nobody but the damned fools and self-inflicted idiots are buying so much as one word of it.
THE FACT IS: I have simply refused to stoop to your “Oh whine, poor me, someone used the 'n'-word so the whole world should jump to its socialist feet and stomp the rest of the planet” crass assed remarks. I am NOT going to change one word of any content in the VMG site, make any changes in my opinions or the operational standards of the way VMG does business to humor the slimey bastard elements who's only contributions are one more, "Oh, whine."
THE FACT IS: In 1948 I was in jail for protesting the violation of civil rights against Hudie "Leadbelly" Ledbetter - the famed BLACK folk artist who performed his way out of jail on several occasions. Long before the likes of you were even around and long before the hippie element socialists began their campaign of nothing-standards and legislated-enslavement under the guise of restoring civil rights to the Black Community. FYI, Leadbelly taught me to play guitar. I’m the little white boy who used to ride his shoulder. He died this date, December 6th, in 1949.
THE FACT IS: The President of Vandor Records Group and the Number One Man at VMG is black. A more honorable person than Lekan Parsons never lived. He certainly would NOT associate himself with ANYONE of a racist bent. Including you! And:
THE FACT IS: I have TWO Grand Final Mentions in the book, “HEART & SOUL, A Celebration of Black Music Style in America 1930-1975”, published by Stewart, Tabori & Chang and written by Bob Merlis and Davin Seay, for MY CONTRIBUTIONS TO BLACK MUSIC! Many of my Gold & Platinum Plaques (you know, those things you think are bullshit because you don’t have any) are by BLACK Artists. Everything from breaking them on network radio, to production, to sessions, to promotion, to distribution and a lot of other required logistics the damned fools like you don’t even know exists.
So, like I said, you can get off your “Bobby Farrell is a racist” kick, and shove your jackass lying opinions at the same time.
TDA
Flo' Dolo
New member
Direct from your company's website.
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Vandor Motion Pictures,
Phonograph Records
And Music Publishing Group
Distributed By Vandor
Manufactured By Bobby Farrell International
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Vandor Motion Pictures,
Phonograph Records
And Music Publishing Group
Distributed By Vandor
Manufactured By Bobby Farrell International
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SPINSTERWUN
Active member
I just noticed this thread.
I am going to go back to the first post to read all of this thread.
spin
The Land of Moderators, because those who wish to be mediators between two resolute thinkers are marked as mediocre: they lack eyes to see the unparalleled; seeing things as similar and making them the same is the mark of weak eyes.
I am going to go back to the first post to read all of this thread.
spin
The Land of Moderators, because those who wish to be mediators between two resolute thinkers are marked as mediocre: they lack eyes to see the unparalleled; seeing things as similar and making them the same is the mark of weak eyes.
bdbdbuck
New member
Re: bdbdbuck...
I knew that this would eventually come full circle.
bd
Flo' Dolo said:
I knew that this would eventually come full circle.
bd
Buffalo Bob
New member
Interesting thread. As far as I can tell, it started like this:
“HOw do I start my own production company
I know its very easy to go around saying I have a Production Company..but I wanna know how to REALLY own my own production company..Im a young cat who cant wait to take over the music biz...but I want to be able to get out there. Ive done a few tracks for a few people here and there...I wanna know what all do I need to know in order to start my own?? What are the requirements?...Do I have to register and all of that?....Could some one point me in the direction to the information I need? Thanks Alot.”
Then, a bunch of folks came by to offer some worthwhile advice to the obviously clueless Datboylamar.
Enter “Outlaws”, sporting his cartoon pornographic avatar, with the absolutely priceless statement:
“You don't need a lawyer.........you just write the contract out line by line in English and in 12 point type.....”
(That’s one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard)
Enter The General, with some sound advice based on real industry experience and accomplishments – but alas (always wanted to say that!) – He has an article on his site that uses the “N” word. One offensive word on an otherwise valuable site. Unfortunate and ill-advised perhaps, but to disregard the information on the site is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Re-enter “Outlaws the Pornographer” with this pearl:
“Hey General....FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING SPAMMER. I HOPE YOU DIE. SOMEONE NEEDS TO CUT YOUR THROAT. YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BE ON THIS BOARD. YOU HAVE ADDED NOTHING OF INTEREST FOR ANYONE. FUCKING IE AND GO TO HELL. YOU JUST WANT TO PROMOTE YOU COMPANY. IF I EVER SEE YOU OR HAVE A CHANCE TO DRIVE THROUGH NEW MEXICO I AM GOING TO MAKE A POINT TO KICK YOU MOTHERFUCKING ASS.”
Followed by the incredible statement:
“Where the fuck are the Moderators?!”
This, from someone who sports a pornographic avatar for any kid that visits this site to see. Outlaws, if there were any moderators, you would not be here. I particularly liked the statement:
“He is more than welcome here if he wants to contribute.
Who exactly are you to welcome anyone, or ban anyone?
Enter “FloDolo”:
Brimming with righteous indignation, he valiantly defends his right to be offended, but then falls prey to his own version of racism; “ageism”.
“Get off your own retirement age dick.”
“Naw pops, you got it twisted.” (Hey Buck- I’m going to call you “Pops” from now on!!!)
“It's funny how old people are so often stuck in their ways”
You were doing well up to this point, “Flo”, but you lost me here. Just try substituting “Black” for “Old” in that statement and you’ll see my point.
This is followed by the inimitable “Grn”:
“lastly, 67 years old is in my opinion too old to know anything about the current music industry... it has totally changed since the 30's. in fact, I wouldn't deal with anyone over 45. but best of luck to you, honestly. and whoever wants to fight the general, that would be retarded - he'll probably die in a few years anyway.”
If hubris equated to success in the music business, you guys would have no problem “taking over”. Unfortunately, the only real currency in this business is knowledge, and you are woefully unarmed for the battle.
I must admit, though – it is very entertaining!
“HOw do I start my own production company
I know its very easy to go around saying I have a Production Company..but I wanna know how to REALLY own my own production company..Im a young cat who cant wait to take over the music biz...but I want to be able to get out there. Ive done a few tracks for a few people here and there...I wanna know what all do I need to know in order to start my own?? What are the requirements?...Do I have to register and all of that?....Could some one point me in the direction to the information I need? Thanks Alot.”
Then, a bunch of folks came by to offer some worthwhile advice to the obviously clueless Datboylamar.
Enter “Outlaws”, sporting his cartoon pornographic avatar, with the absolutely priceless statement:
“You don't need a lawyer.........you just write the contract out line by line in English and in 12 point type.....”
(That’s one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard)
Enter The General, with some sound advice based on real industry experience and accomplishments – but alas (always wanted to say that!) – He has an article on his site that uses the “N” word. One offensive word on an otherwise valuable site. Unfortunate and ill-advised perhaps, but to disregard the information on the site is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Re-enter “Outlaws the Pornographer” with this pearl:
“Hey General....FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING SPAMMER. I HOPE YOU DIE. SOMEONE NEEDS TO CUT YOUR THROAT. YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BE ON THIS BOARD. YOU HAVE ADDED NOTHING OF INTEREST FOR ANYONE. FUCKING IE AND GO TO HELL. YOU JUST WANT TO PROMOTE YOU COMPANY. IF I EVER SEE YOU OR HAVE A CHANCE TO DRIVE THROUGH NEW MEXICO I AM GOING TO MAKE A POINT TO KICK YOU MOTHERFUCKING ASS.”
Followed by the incredible statement:
“Where the fuck are the Moderators?!”
This, from someone who sports a pornographic avatar for any kid that visits this site to see. Outlaws, if there were any moderators, you would not be here. I particularly liked the statement:
“He is more than welcome here if he wants to contribute.
Who exactly are you to welcome anyone, or ban anyone?
Enter “FloDolo”:
Brimming with righteous indignation, he valiantly defends his right to be offended, but then falls prey to his own version of racism; “ageism”.
“Get off your own retirement age dick.”
“Naw pops, you got it twisted.” (Hey Buck- I’m going to call you “Pops” from now on!!!)
“It's funny how old people are so often stuck in their ways”
You were doing well up to this point, “Flo”, but you lost me here. Just try substituting “Black” for “Old” in that statement and you’ll see my point.
This is followed by the inimitable “Grn”:
“lastly, 67 years old is in my opinion too old to know anything about the current music industry... it has totally changed since the 30's. in fact, I wouldn't deal with anyone over 45. but best of luck to you, honestly. and whoever wants to fight the general, that would be retarded - he'll probably die in a few years anyway.”
If hubris equated to success in the music business, you guys would have no problem “taking over”. Unfortunately, the only real currency in this business is knowledge, and you are woefully unarmed for the battle.
I must admit, though – it is very entertaining!
Flo' Dolo
New member
I hear you Buffalo Bob, loud and clear. The only reason the age thing came up for me is cause dude is really harping on this "flo'dolo doesn't know shit & hasn't done shit, and I've got 60 years experience and done this and that and the other and I started back in 1940-whatever and you don't know shit, and so on." That's why a threw the age barbs around. Not because I think dude's age has anything to do with anything in relation to what I was harping about... As far as bdbdbuck, the "pops" comment coulda been changed to "nephew," or "kid," etc. - just more of "that slang" (not necessarily having anything to do with age) - besides, I'm way closer to his daughter's age than his (if i remember what I read somewhere correctly).
Calling somebody old or retirement age who boasts about his ueber-decade longevity in the business, being over 60 years old, having seen it all and done everything is fair game, I think. Besides, it's probably a safe bet to say that people of his generation are far more likely to tolerate such nonsense like the sentence I've been referring to than say a 20 year old of any ethnicity in this country.
You're absolutely right. I never said his site didn't contain valuable info, nor did I attack his sensibility or challenge his credentials save his willful use of that word on his site.
I didn't go looking for this, he put it out there.
I just chose to not let it go unaddressed. Maybe if it wasn't a registered company doing business with the public I would've chosen not to say anything. Nonetheless, I got your point.
diendolo
Buffalo Bob
New member
Flo- your stock just went up 100% with me. I agree with you, actually, about the "N" word. It should not be included on the site. It is a hateful expression, and should be exposed every time it appears in print.
I wish you luck in your endeavors, and trust you will succeed, because you have the quality of introspection.
Bob
I wish you luck in your endeavors, and trust you will succeed, because you have the quality of introspection.
Bob
T
The General
New member
Flo’ Dolo,
You can take your excuses and shove them too!
I always wonder what the Idiot likes of you would think if it ever dawned on you that when Leadbelly was teaching me to play, he referred to his favorite music as “Nigger Blues”. And he never changed it. All black company, all white company, mixed company, high, low, rich or dirt poor, he never changed the call. He wasn’t a hypocrite about anything else in his life either.
In those days Black Artists were literally the last in line, especially at radio. Their music often set the standard for all the white copy cats, but their recordings were the last considered. I don’t think Leadbelly had any illusions about that, and I know for a fact he called a spade a spade. When I mentioned to him that most black artists of the day sounded pretty much like everybody else, and the successful ones did, he replied to the effect that when black people stopped pretending they weren’t black and took responsibility for themselves and their conduct, they wouldn’t have to sound like everybody else. When he took me into Black Clubs, churches and homes, I was usually the only white person there, and I learned the difference between what they played and sang in an all black gathering, and what they thought they had to deliver anywhere else in public.
Breaking Black Artist’s records on the air - let alone network - was bad news in those days, on a lot of fronts and in a lot of Board Rooms. It didn’t keep me from doing it. Nor did refusing to play venues where Black Artists, even on the venue, weren’t allowed to book rooms in the hotels or eat in the dinning rooms. We sacked a lot of them, regardless of the loss of money. And I still would.
The reason is simple. I refuse to be ‘politically correct’ even though I don’t like the “n”-word either, and I’ll be damned if I’ll concede any point of who I am, what I do, how or why I do it, under any terms or conditions whatsoever. My use license says “unedited”, and By God it will remain UNEDITED. Anybody who has a problem with that sure has the problem. If that’s a plug in your ass then it’s your ass with the plug, and I advise you not to sit on it lest it agonize your brain cell.
There’s a lot of things in life I don’t like and now that shooting the bastards who are responsible for most of it has been legislated to be against the law, I learned to live with it. Fully armed, but I live with it. Until they bring it to me or mine directly and then I show them in damned short order that well applied ammunition cures one hell of a lot of socialism.
There’s a lot of things in this Best Of all Industries I don’t like. And Idiot Elements like you and Outlaws who serve no other purpose to mankind than to spew your hatred and stupid shit that can’t even be used for fertilizer, top the list. I’ve seen the likes of you for ages. Until the invention of the internet gave you more public voice, most people didn’t even suspect your kind even existed. But since you do have public access via the net, I like for you to do yourself a favor: Check all the threads of the spewing bastards like yourself and Outlaws from the earliest days of Dave Hooper’s Indie Board through the demise of mp3.jackass, and see if you can find ONE (1) SUCCESS!
You can’t, because there aren’t any.
It’s what this Industry does with the Idiot Element.
TDA
You can take your excuses and shove them too!
I always wonder what the Idiot likes of you would think if it ever dawned on you that when Leadbelly was teaching me to play, he referred to his favorite music as “Nigger Blues”. And he never changed it. All black company, all white company, mixed company, high, low, rich or dirt poor, he never changed the call. He wasn’t a hypocrite about anything else in his life either.
In those days Black Artists were literally the last in line, especially at radio. Their music often set the standard for all the white copy cats, but their recordings were the last considered. I don’t think Leadbelly had any illusions about that, and I know for a fact he called a spade a spade. When I mentioned to him that most black artists of the day sounded pretty much like everybody else, and the successful ones did, he replied to the effect that when black people stopped pretending they weren’t black and took responsibility for themselves and their conduct, they wouldn’t have to sound like everybody else. When he took me into Black Clubs, churches and homes, I was usually the only white person there, and I learned the difference between what they played and sang in an all black gathering, and what they thought they had to deliver anywhere else in public.
Breaking Black Artist’s records on the air - let alone network - was bad news in those days, on a lot of fronts and in a lot of Board Rooms. It didn’t keep me from doing it. Nor did refusing to play venues where Black Artists, even on the venue, weren’t allowed to book rooms in the hotels or eat in the dinning rooms. We sacked a lot of them, regardless of the loss of money. And I still would.
The reason is simple. I refuse to be ‘politically correct’ even though I don’t like the “n”-word either, and I’ll be damned if I’ll concede any point of who I am, what I do, how or why I do it, under any terms or conditions whatsoever. My use license says “unedited”, and By God it will remain UNEDITED. Anybody who has a problem with that sure has the problem. If that’s a plug in your ass then it’s your ass with the plug, and I advise you not to sit on it lest it agonize your brain cell.
There’s a lot of things in life I don’t like and now that shooting the bastards who are responsible for most of it has been legislated to be against the law, I learned to live with it. Fully armed, but I live with it. Until they bring it to me or mine directly and then I show them in damned short order that well applied ammunition cures one hell of a lot of socialism.
There’s a lot of things in this Best Of all Industries I don’t like. And Idiot Elements like you and Outlaws who serve no other purpose to mankind than to spew your hatred and stupid shit that can’t even be used for fertilizer, top the list. I’ve seen the likes of you for ages. Until the invention of the internet gave you more public voice, most people didn’t even suspect your kind even existed. But since you do have public access via the net, I like for you to do yourself a favor: Check all the threads of the spewing bastards like yourself and Outlaws from the earliest days of Dave Hooper’s Indie Board through the demise of mp3.jackass, and see if you can find ONE (1) SUCCESS!
You can’t, because there aren’t any.
It’s what this Industry does with the Idiot Element.
TDA
Outlaws
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The General said:
LMAO!
Now we know you are a total joke.
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borednbuzzed
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Gotta agree here... I was finding his info to be good stuff, but when I came across "American Nigger English" It made me really not care about what more he had to say on the subject. But also, before that, when he's saying it's only a few burnt out hippies talking about "It's all about the art man" What the hell is that about? Many artist today are beginning to realize that it IS about the art and not the $$. Look at Ben Fold's. After dealing with a huge recording company for so many albums, he said "fuck it" and started producing his shit in his home studio and distributing it via the web and at concerts only. Anyone know Fugazi? Extremely successful and never have once sold out to the powers. The business that Vandor is in is what is ruining music. It's how we get so much shit on the radio..
Reminds me of Tom Petty's latest CD "The Last DJ" Luckily though, the music industry as we know it is a dying one. (IMO) Radio, in 15 - 20 years will be a thing of the past. An industry that is throwing law suits on its customers is not going to survive. And I know General will say, "Look here at the Idiot Element", or whatever made up term he keeps repeating... You will never have me as a customer, I will never put a dime in your pocket, and I know hundred's of others true to the music who will do the same... If this thought process continues the "professional" music industry will just be a big joke on reality TV. (not like it hasn't done that yet!) The people on this forum are musicians and many are very damned good recording engineers too. I think many here don't care about their pockets being lined... I know I don't. I haven't gone in debt buying equipment in hopes of one day recovering my losses, if the money comes in... fine, if I never make a penny in music, that's fine too... it should never be about the money, when it is you lose the art.
Reminds me of Tom Petty's latest CD "The Last DJ" Luckily though, the music industry as we know it is a dying one. (IMO) Radio, in 15 - 20 years will be a thing of the past. An industry that is throwing law suits on its customers is not going to survive. And I know General will say, "Look here at the Idiot Element", or whatever made up term he keeps repeating... You will never have me as a customer, I will never put a dime in your pocket, and I know hundred's of others true to the music who will do the same... If this thought process continues the "professional" music industry will just be a big joke on reality TV. (not like it hasn't done that yet!) The people on this forum are musicians and many are very damned good recording engineers too. I think many here don't care about their pockets being lined... I know I don't. I haven't gone in debt buying equipment in hopes of one day recovering my losses, if the money comes in... fine, if I never make a penny in music, that's fine too... it should never be about the money, when it is you lose the art.
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borednbuzzed
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You know, I have to retract my last statement of never putting a dime in your pocket(General). Because I do BUY my music (tho usually 2nd hand) What I meant is that as a musician I will never sign with a major label owned or managed or whatever by your company (or any company like yours)... It has nothing to do with you. Besides using your innappropiate language on your website (which you try to justify but come up short) I believe you to very knowledgable and give you much respect.
lost studios
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Just came across this thread.... whew... that was more entertaining than the last episode of ER!
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pM of impk21.co
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@ the gerneral "YOU'RE A DAMNED LIAR!"
LOL, I like that, your a damned liar, cuz youz gonna get mu all yup setteded...
@Buffalo Bob, man, you must have a lot of time on your hands. Im sure people will appreciate your time invested in reading all the threads to sum it all up, who wants to go threw all this bs anyway. Yes, very intertaining.
@ Everyone else, this board is like every other board out there "that I have vistited". Some people use it for its purpose and that is to exchange ideas and get info, meet and talk to people who are successful and who are trying to make something happen with music, others use it for their "so much time to spare" like Ive got room to talk, and do both, learn and learn how to talk shit over the fuckin internet, wow.
@ Flo, look here man, it dont matter what color I am, Im not sayin you are doing this, maybe you are, but if you are some what trying to defend yourself to people who hide behind a keyboard and a loggin name, fuck 'em man. Get what you can get outta this board and do your thing. Time will only show and tell others what you are capable of doing and how committed you are to your dream and talent. I know you are looking for answers, I know people will help. I am in the same deal you are in. Ive got the skill, I jus need to be more consistant and Im sure my talent will take me where I want to go. I dont really approve of any discrimination, but I am not one to judge by posts and statements on the internet or on somebodies website. But a lot of people are. I didnt read every single post on here, so if I misse something and it bothers you, my bad, create a different thread if you have something to say.................................peace, pms. haha
LOL, I like that, your a damned liar, cuz youz gonna get mu all yup setteded...
@Buffalo Bob, man, you must have a lot of time on your hands. Im sure people will appreciate your time invested in reading all the threads to sum it all up, who wants to go threw all this bs anyway. Yes, very intertaining.
@ Everyone else, this board is like every other board out there "that I have vistited". Some people use it for its purpose and that is to exchange ideas and get info, meet and talk to people who are successful and who are trying to make something happen with music, others use it for their "so much time to spare" like Ive got room to talk, and do both, learn and learn how to talk shit over the fuckin internet, wow.
@ Flo, look here man, it dont matter what color I am, Im not sayin you are doing this, maybe you are, but if you are some what trying to defend yourself to people who hide behind a keyboard and a loggin name, fuck 'em man. Get what you can get outta this board and do your thing. Time will only show and tell others what you are capable of doing and how committed you are to your dream and talent. I know you are looking for answers, I know people will help. I am in the same deal you are in. Ive got the skill, I jus need to be more consistant and Im sure my talent will take me where I want to go. I dont really approve of any discrimination, but I am not one to judge by posts and statements on the internet or on somebodies website. But a lot of people are. I didnt read every single post on here, so if I misse something and it bothers you, my bad, create a different thread if you have something to say.................................peace, pms. haha
lost studios
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Yeah... that was an entertaining overview of the thread, BuffaloBob!
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CyanJaguar
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I am learning quite a bit from the general's site.
one thing that bugs me though, is that all the articles read like they were written by the same person( even though they have different names and countries)
So, if the general is accusing companies of telling lies, is it not hypocritical for him to be also telling lies?
Maybe the general agrees that sometimes, the end justifies the means, or maybe he is just protecting himself from the mob.
Anyhow, good reading. sometimes get to where I cant understand it, but I am still gleaning some good information from it.
one thing that bugs me though, is that all the articles read like they were written by the same person( even though they have different names and countries)
So, if the general is accusing companies of telling lies, is it not hypocritical for him to be also telling lies?
Maybe the general agrees that sometimes, the end justifies the means, or maybe he is just protecting himself from the mob.
Anyhow, good reading. sometimes get to where I cant understand it, but I am still gleaning some good information from it.