How Do I Get Those Massive Guitars?!?!

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Ford Van said:
Simple Solution just sounds like the guitars dominate the mix at the expense of the drums. To me, that is NOT a "wall of guitar" effect. The 4 tracks sound about the way I expected them too. Mix them properly in a lush mix, and you will soon have a "wall of guitars" made out of mush. Sorry, but that is honestly how I feel.



Again, the second one stands up MUCH better. Listen to how the guitars sound fairly big within a much better mix of music! Also, it still isn't quite HUGE sounding. It is the nature of amp simulation when you track them dry. Try some reverb on them! ;)

So, I STILL have not heard where more tracks = wall of guitars sound!
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That was pretty much my point. I am actuall going to go back and recut those with only two guitars instead of four. The reason that the guitars dominate the mix is because I have the drums down a bit in the mix. That was done on purpose for other reasons.



POD, VAmp, or JStation?

none of the above. :)
 
Sonixx said:
what's your idea of a massive wall of guitars sound?

maybe an example?
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For me there is only one: Smashing Pumpkins Siamese Dream.

I have no idea how they did that. 100 guitars? 3 guitars? I got no clue. But for me, it is the one and only "wall of guitars". And it's beautiful. :)
 
Chibi Nappa said:
For me there is only one: Smashing Pumpkins Siamese Dream.

I have no idea how they did that. 100 guitars? 3 guitars? I got no clue. But for me, it is the one and only "wall of guitars". And it's beautiful. :)
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yea, that's pretty dense.
 
Diggin the tones, THunder. (listening on headphones right now, don't have the monitors going)
Throw some strong vocals over it and it could be real interesting.
 
Here is a Band I recorded this past summer. How does the guitar rate here regarding the theme of this thread?

Faith Remain

Here is a song from a local band: (I was not part of the recording project)
A Lower Deep
 
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First of all I would dump that cold sounding sm57 and get an E/V nd 468 mic. I experimented with my mics and tried this one in front of a tube amp cranked to about 4. It sounds awesome through my firepod into myl ogic on my mac. I use these also for my toms. They are made for drums usually, but like anything, sometimes you need to try something different. I hope this helped.
 
Well i guess every guitar player needs to put in some input on huge guitar sound so here's mine... i agree with a few points that everyone has added... one thread was.. Using different chord voicings... that i agree will make a bigger impact than just dialing in more gain, or mids... take a listen to Angus Youngs guitar sound... he and his bro almost always use full chords not just power chords, and as you've heard it... they sound huge!!... try using less gain settings on multiple tracks... high gain on every single tracked guitar isn't always better.. it starts to smear... you'll prob get better results that way and with just slighly dif eq on each of them and of course panning... but unless you get your initial sound as good as possible... you can pan and eq, hundred track doubling and verb or whatever the hell you want till your blue in the face, it won't make any dif if ur tone is crap to start with... unless your doing speed metal... less gain (and prob more than you think) and doouble a few times is usually more controlable to colour afterwardsu can always add more buzz to it after but you can't remove it. thats my pennys worth... do u care? :D
 
completely apart from recording, a lot of "massive" guitar sounds come from the song itself. Things like using multiple chord voicings as mentioned above, but also things like letting a heavy chord ring out and playing a rhythmic lead line over that can get a sort of big epic sound that has nothing to do with guitar tone (well, a little bit). A lot of hardcore/metalcore bands will play some kind of ringing high part over top of that as well. Unearth does this pretty well.
 
Reggie said:
Diggin the tones, THunder. (listening on headphones right now, don't have the monitors going)
Throw some strong vocals over it and it could be real interesting.
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Thank you. My voice doesn't fit that stuff so I am going to find someone to sing to it.
 
Chibi Nappa said:
For me there is only one: Smashing Pumpkins Siamese Dream.

I have no idea how they did that. 100 guitars? 3 guitars? I got no clue. But for me, it is the one and only "wall of guitars". And it's beautiful. :)
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Here's an article that states that the guitars on that album were layered up to 50 times!!! :eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siamese_Dream

How did they keep it from going to mush?

Another album, or song really, that I think of when I think of big guitars is Metallica's "Sad But True". If I hear it play in my head, it seems like there is some dense reverb going on it.

Thanks,
jawgee
 
I always thought the Smashing Pumpkins guitars sounded like mush to me. They don't sound "big and huge" like say Metallica!

HUGE guitar sounds come from adding a dimension to them that represents size, usually, reverb and possibly delay. Other possibilities are multiple mics are different distances, but this is mostly just reverb really.
 
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