Home recording up to professional standards?

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"I'd say that now that DAWs are so cheap, mixing and mastering are getting easier and that the real problem is recording."
Sorry but that reads as newbie talk Daniel. Maybe a little naivety mixed with a touch of hubris. Either that or you're deliberately turning things onto their head for a lark.
The premise that recording is a real problem is correct. That capturing the perfoormance is key, fundamental and insanely difficult to get correct is right, however, the other parts of your argument are out of whack:
Technology has made the recording process much easier. What's recorded and how are perennial problems.
Technology has made physically mixing much easier. The choices made in mixing are still quite difficult & possibly, through the availability of more tracks & the human tendency to try to fill them, even more difficult.
Technology has assisted Mastering but not really made easier. The trained ears and knowledge of who, when, where, what, why, how & with what isn't inherent in any technology - DAW or otherwise.
Presets, VSTs, Plug ins and machines aren't the answer.
I know of only a couple of homerecordists on these forums that manage to "master" with professional sounding results. They are able to do this because they have fantastic hearing, the nouse to interpret what they hear backed up with experience & skills to address what they hear.
Myself: I record in a fairly rudimentary way with basic tools because I need to use stuff I have a reasonable handle on, (Reaper, 8 in/out soundcard, 8 or so mixed mics/ an 1/2 doz guitars), I mix to my tastes & skills which are inclined towards dense mixes because I have trouble determining what to leave out - in other words my tastes in my won work are inexorably dictated by my ability to make thinsg happen or not. When I've a decent, (for me & my limited abilities writing), song reasonably recorded and mixed as best I can, (with significant input, guidance, commentary and direction from the MP3 Mixing Clinic), I send the track off for mastering because I can't hear the nuances & can't address the problems. I don't doubt that quite a few people could learn to master if they had a really good ear & were prepared to spend the time.
After a certain level of DYI I also go to dentists, doctors, optometrists and motorcycle mechanics for similar reasons.
In all things the introduction of technology alters and sometimes enhances processes and work flow, (you'd be amazed at how much MS WORD has altered written communication by its built in biases, setting out, auto correction, spelling, layouts etc - and in many cases not for the better - vale indented paragraphing). In each case, however, technology brings with it a new range of problems that require human intervention. There are very few things we allow machines to do without directing, steering, altering redrafting etc.
The wheel is unreal but then we had to deal with axles, wheel ruts, uneven surfaces, turning without a differential different circumsfrences between wheels causing the cart to slowly move in a circle etc.
 
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Hmmm...I'd say the order of importance in producing a professional result would be:

1. Talent of the musicians.

2. Talent of the person doing the recording and mixing.

3. Acoustics of the room.

4. Quality of the equipment (assuming you've crossed the Radio Shack threshold).

5. Quality of the DAW.

As you can see, it's down far more to the musicians and engineer being good at what they do than the gear and software being used.
 
If you want to save time then it's better to spend money in the professional studio than building your own studio at home ..
Unless you are a good sound engineer you can't make good music at home
It is surely one of the "greatest" contradictions "of all time" {:D} that such a sentence appears in a home recording forum.
Besides which, what many of our entire studios cost to put together would be eaten up by three days recording in a professional studio.
Sometimes, the unwillingness to learn, take time and progress is reflected in "Unless you are a good sound engineer you can't make good music at home". This is a progressive craft.

It cannot be done. Homestudios can make some great recordings, and capture some fantastic performances, but to even remotely compare them to a commercial studio is just insane.
"Cannot" is a word that should be used cautiously for it is a word of crushing finality. There is no flexibility in it at all. It is unbending, unwavering, unreasonable.
I personally think that so many of us have lost sight of just enjoying music. There seems to be this assumption among many that anything that comes out of a professional studio must be great and home recordings are by their very nature inferior. But this misses some key points in my mind. Firstly, throughout the history of recorded music, there has been a pecking order in terms of good recordings, good engineers and good studios and sometimes, the combinations of all three don't produce great music. And at other times they do.
Furthermore, when a punter listens to a piece of music or album or whatever, last among their criteria will be the actual recording quality because there is and long has been quite a variation. Few people are honestly interested in whether something was recorded at home or in Vancouver. It makes little, if any, difference.
Listen to Little Purple Circles' album, "Cloud" or "Far out liars" and tell me whether or not your overriding thought is "this was obviously recorded at home".
In 35+ years of reading up on and listening to artists views on their recorded work, I do not think I have ever encountered one that was not unhappy with some of what was ultimately presented to the public.
Interesting, that. Not one. Out of thousands.

I get amazing stuff from home studios all the time. And I get relative "crap" also. Same as I get from some of the best studios out there. Some of it's awesome, some of it is terrible.
I believe this wholeheartedly. There are still myths that need debunking in music recording. You can make lame stuff sound better {which means you can polish turds} and you can make good stuff sound worse. Whether it's in a professional recording studio or at home is often immaterial.
 
Thanks so much for everyones replies! :)

I just wanna ask, is the reflexion screen/acoustic shield, whatever it is called. Is it worth getting? I know it ain't gonna make it sound 'PROFESSIONAL' but will that make a huge difference in the quality of the recording? Cause I see most studio's have them.
 
Can you clarify what you're asking about? My first thought was a pop filter, but then I thought maybe some kind of acoustic room treatment...whatchoo talkin bout Willis?
 
Can you clarify what you're asking about? My first thought was a pop filter, but then I thought maybe some kind of acoustic room treatment...whatchoo talkin bout Willis?

Dude. You know what I'm talkin about! I think the proper name for it is a reflection filter. They call it a mini vocal booth. Look it up on google images.
 
The "Reflexion Filter" (the spelling was right the first time) is a product of sE Electronics--it's a half circle of acoustic baffle that curves around the mic.

I does a good job of killing the boxy, echoey sound an untreated room can have but is fiddly to set up and needs a pretty heavy duty mic stand to be safe and secure.

Will it make your home recordings sound professional? It'll help but it's not a magic bullet that will fix everything in one go. I stand by my list above--the talent of the musicians and talent of the guy recording and mixing are the most important aspects.
 
Thanks so much for everyones replies! :)
Cause I see most studio's have them.

I don't use one, and I can record vocals in any part of the room and they sound great. Get the room acoustic sorted, that's how you get a good sound.

Alan.
 
With the right acoustics, good gear, and competent musicians I can get pro sounding results using my 2 year old Tascam 2488NEO. Of course I have to use a few ourboard effects, but I can make it happen nontheless. It just takes a whole lot of time and work.
 
These kinds of posts bother me...



^^This is why those kind of posts bother me. They're just not true. I remember reading some massive thread on GearSlutz a few years back with some of the guys from Jimmy Eat World, and the producer/engineer/whatever you wanna call the guy who pointed the microphones at things and pressed record, about how they just decided to record their album "Chase This Light" in a rehearsal space. Not some crazy tricked out rehearsal space, mind you - like.. just in a room. There wasn't even a wall between the console and the band - and they just ran some cables across the floor. What little they used was relatively nice but they didn't roll in a billion dollars worth of all kinds of equipment and acoustic treatment or anything more than just a basic mobile recording setup, really. It was just the band and a recording engineer who all knew wtf they were doing and they just did it. And I'd put the production quality of that album up against pretty much anything else out there.

I in no way dispute that great performances can be captured in home studios with whatever gear they have. But as Massive Master mentioned. The performance, instrument, talent, song etc is 90% of the finished product. But I can't believe that a home studio has the options to record the source the best way possible all of the time. I think its possible some of the time maybe, but not in every situation. Trying to compare bedroom acoustics( or whatever space) to a fine tuned room is just impractical. To have a limited amount of mics, pres, amps etc compared to having anything you need to record a source in a manner that best suits the music is equally impractical in my opinion. If you take away the 90% your left with the other 10%, and I think there can be some gains there in terms of overall presentation of someones music.
 
It is surely one of the "greatest" contradictions "of all time" {:D} that such a sentence appears in a home recording forum.
Besides which, what many of our entire studios cost to put together would be eaten up by three days recording in a professional studio.
Sometimes, the unwillingness to learn, take time and progress is reflected in "Unless you are a good sound engineer you can't make good music at home". This is a progressive craft.

"Cannot" is a word that should be used cautiously for it is a word of crushing finality. There is no flexibility in it at all. It is unbending, unwavering, unreasonable.
I personally think that so many of us have lost sight of just enjoying music. There seems to be this assumption among many that anything that comes out of a professional studio must be great and home recordings are by their very nature inferior. But this misses some key points in my mind. Firstly, throughout the history of recorded music, there has been a pecking order in terms of good recordings, good engineers and good studios and sometimes, the combinations of all three don't produce great music. And at other times they do.
Furthermore, when a punter listens to a piece of music or album or whatever, last among their criteria will be the actual recording quality because there is and long has been quite a variation. Few people are honestly interested in whether something was recorded at home or in Vancouver. It makes little, if any, difference.
Listen to Little Purple Circles' album, "Cloud" or "Far out liars" and tell me whether or not your overriding thought is "this was obviously recorded at home".
In 35+ years of reading up on and listening to artists views on their recorded work, I do not think I have ever encountered one that was not unhappy with some of what was ultimately presented to the public.
Interesting, that. Not one. Out of thousands.

I believe this wholeheartedly. There are still myths that need debunking in music recording. You can make lame stuff sound better {which means you can polish turds} and you can make good stuff sound worse. Whether it's in a professional recording studio or at home is often immaterial.

I'll agree "cannot" is too strong. How about "impractical". I whole heartily agree with the enjoyment of the music. Afterall thats why we all do it. And as mentioned several times here, it takes someone who can capture a source the best way possible knowing the given limitations of his/her environment and available tools. But I have been fortunate enough to visit some great studios, and I can say for certain all the spaces sounded amazing to me. I can only imagine what it would be like to mic up a great singer, or guitarist drummer etc in the spaces. Wow. And available gear for days. Rooms full of stuff for any possible situation. To come back home and remotely think anyone could achieve audio equality with these places with my 6 mic pres and dozen or so mics in my far from perfect room just blows my mind.
 
The only difference between professionals and amateurs is that professionals get paid. It's all about knowing what to do. Polishing turds isn't a bad thing per se if you know how to do it. Making use of unlimited options is the source of all evil in audio engineering. Limits are good (if you know the borders), so learn to use what little gear you have to the best of your ability. And as for acoustic spaces, you're not limited to your own home. Set up your gear in a factory (The Black Keys), an old house (Led Zeppelin) or any kind of room that sounds interesting.

@seancfc, I looked at some of your other posts and you seem to be concerned mostly with vocals and a bit of acoustic guitar. No need for huge drum rooms. The studio you said you were after in this thread should be perfectly capable of producing 'professional' results in what it's made to do. You probably won't have to concern yourself with huge live rooms. Your bathroom will probably provide ample natural reverb (and if you don't want reverb just sing or play right next to your microphone). As far as gear, all you need are microphones (along with cables and a way to connect them to your computer), a computer with any kind of DAW software on it, and a good set of speakers or monitors. And learn to use it all through trial and error, and careful listening.

Hope that helps.
 
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