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Mastermindzz
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Can you power monitors with these or should you put out the extra cash and get a power amp?
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Gargamel
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I have one word for you......coloration. You are better off spending some cash and purchasing a good power amp such as a Hafler. Definitely check your mixes with the home stereo and the car stereo, and the boom box, and the walkman.
drstawl
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I do it every day. Sure- the Hafler will sound better.
Eurythmic
majordomo plasticomo
I use a Yamaha RX-495 "Natural Sound" receiver, and a set of B&W DM602 loudspeakers. Total cost, maybe $1200 including biwire cables, about three years ago.
The setup was meant to be a home stereo of course, but it has performed like a champ for me in the "studio".
The setup was meant to be a home stereo of course, but it has performed like a champ for me in the "studio".
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Gargamel
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By 'natural sound' does Yamaha mean it has a flat response?
Eurythmic
majordomo plasticomo
Yes, it's supposed to be completely even across the board. You can adjust the bass, treble, "loudness", and stereo pan, or, you can turn on the "natural sound" function and it completely bypasses all of those circuits.
I don't know how one would go about proving whether or not those claims are true, but it's the best sounding stereo system that I personally have ever heard.
I don't know how one would go about proving whether or not those claims are true, but it's the best sounding stereo system that I personally have ever heard.
Eurythmic
majordomo plasticomo
If you're curious, I found some info on the Yamaha website.
http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gAVR00010RX-495
As it turns out, they're not making this model anymore. So it can probably be had relatively cheaply - or maybe there's some new super duper improved model. Probably not the ideal situation if you're building a dedicated studio, but I love it.
Just for kicks, here's a link to the speakers.
http://www.bwspeakers.com/products/...peaker_id=419DBECC-EF4D-11D3-B01E0000E20E7DA6
Those are actually the new ones. Here's a link to my original version:
http://www.bwspeakers.com/downloadFile/speakerModel/DONE-product_info_DM602.pdf
The receiver was about $500, and the speakers were something like $550 for the pair. The rest of the cost was all cabling. I had been looking at floor speakers in about the same price range, and the salesperson was like, "I have this other pair you might like... I know they're smaller, but just listen."
I know that stereo choices are really personal, but I was blown away. The speakers deliver crisp treble and deep bass, without emphasizing any frequency range. To my ear, it's an even response across the board. Totally accurate. Great for classical music.
I can't remember all the other speakers that I auditioned, but one of the pairs was by Klipsch. I remember that pair because it sounded bloody awful by comparison - and for the same price.
I don't know if B&W makes studio monitors, but if they do, I wouldn't hesitate to buy them.
http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/DsplyModel/?gAVR00010RX-495
As it turns out, they're not making this model anymore. So it can probably be had relatively cheaply - or maybe there's some new super duper improved model. Probably not the ideal situation if you're building a dedicated studio, but I love it.
Just for kicks, here's a link to the speakers.
http://www.bwspeakers.com/products/...peaker_id=419DBECC-EF4D-11D3-B01E0000E20E7DA6
Those are actually the new ones. Here's a link to my original version:
http://www.bwspeakers.com/downloadFile/speakerModel/DONE-product_info_DM602.pdf
The receiver was about $500, and the speakers were something like $550 for the pair. The rest of the cost was all cabling. I had been looking at floor speakers in about the same price range, and the salesperson was like, "I have this other pair you might like... I know they're smaller, but just listen."
I know that stereo choices are really personal, but I was blown away. The speakers deliver crisp treble and deep bass, without emphasizing any frequency range. To my ear, it's an even response across the board. Totally accurate. Great for classical music.
I can't remember all the other speakers that I auditioned, but one of the pairs was by Klipsch. I remember that pair because it sounded bloody awful by comparison - and for the same price.
I don't know if B&W makes studio monitors, but if they do, I wouldn't hesitate to buy them.
Blue Bear Sound
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Actually - they're probably not lying... but it is simply "marketing hype"....
It is pretty easy to make an amplifier with flat linear response across the 20-20k range and beyond.... where they start to fail is when you start to bring up the volume and the amp draws more current to supply the increased signal level... most budget to mid-priced home amps/receivers can't supply clean, high-transient handling power such as you'd need in a studio situation....
I have a Yamaha "Natural Sound" amp powering a pair of PSBs in my listening room -- it's nice sounding for its application, but I wouldn't be happy with it in the control room........
YMMV
Bruce
It is pretty easy to make an amplifier with flat linear response across the 20-20k range and beyond.... where they start to fail is when you start to bring up the volume and the amp draws more current to supply the increased signal level... most budget to mid-priced home amps/receivers can't supply clean, high-transient handling power such as you'd need in a studio situation....
I have a Yamaha "Natural Sound" amp powering a pair of PSBs in my listening room -- it's nice sounding for its application, but I wouldn't be happy with it in the control room........
YMMV
Bruce
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The Green Hornet
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AHA BRUCE/MASTERMIDI/MIND:]
I knew that someday Bruce would be using some equipment that is really good. [I know all your stuff is good, just kidding.]
But, I have the Yamaha AX592 "integrated amplifier" and it is a great piece of gear for the "average" home studio; however, it does perform ABOVE AVERAGE.
This unit has a by-pass switch which will give you "pure through" CD sound, as well as listening/mixing sound -- no coloration unless you want it.
I can connect two tape decks going either way, CD, Phono [for those older golder guys like me] Aux for whatever, AM/FM if you want it and it has a very good absence of noise. [I also have a remote that lets me sit back and twiddle the unit on/off, up/down, etc.
I've been using this unit for a couple of years after the older integrated amp died.
If you have PRO studio, this is probably not the way to go; however, I've done some good stuff with this amp and it serves my purposes considering my gear in the studio.
So, as Bruce says, "...it depends...."
PS Bruce, I need some coaching with my DAW 2816.
So, as it depends on your needs, your needs depend on what gear you choose.
Green Hornet
I knew that someday Bruce would be using some equipment that is really good. [I know all your stuff is good, just kidding.]
But, I have the Yamaha AX592 "integrated amplifier" and it is a great piece of gear for the "average" home studio; however, it does perform ABOVE AVERAGE.
This unit has a by-pass switch which will give you "pure through" CD sound, as well as listening/mixing sound -- no coloration unless you want it.
I can connect two tape decks going either way, CD, Phono [for those older golder guys like me] Aux for whatever, AM/FM if you want it and it has a very good absence of noise. [I also have a remote that lets me sit back and twiddle the unit on/off, up/down, etc.
I've been using this unit for a couple of years after the older integrated amp died.
If you have PRO studio, this is probably not the way to go; however, I've done some good stuff with this amp and it serves my purposes considering my gear in the studio.
So, as Bruce says, "...it depends...."
PS Bruce, I need some coaching with my DAW 2816.
So, as it depends on your needs, your needs depend on what gear you choose.
Green Hornet
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SBax
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I use the Yamaha RX-495 too. I switch between Genesis and Polk speakers for mixing. I make the mix sound good on both.
Blue Bear Sound
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From me??? Keep in mind my studio is ADAT-based, but what can I help you with?The Green Hornet said:
Bruce
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The Green Hornet
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Yo Bruce:
I knew I could depend on you.
I've got the sceme of the 2816 pretty well figured out. What Yamaha needs is some people like you and me to write the manuals. As I told Roel, I used to teach English Composition before I decided to bag it due to adverse administrative vibes.
What the 2816 is, as far as I can figure out, is a computer in a small box with a small screen that does all the stuff you can do with a computer based rig.
The manual inserts about 55 pages of midi instruction and I don't use midi; thus, it's confusing.
I just need to understand the steps. I'll get there but if you had access to the box you would be able to post some CLEAR steps to operation.
I found out from a post that I'm not to finalize the CD until I've done all the tunes I want to do on it. I've yet to find this information in the "manual."
As the folks who use the 4416 and 2816 say, it's a good box and it has good sound.
So, whatever you can pass on as time moves on, will always be appreciated.
Merry Christmas
Green Hornet
I knew I could depend on you.
I've got the sceme of the 2816 pretty well figured out. What Yamaha needs is some people like you and me to write the manuals. As I told Roel, I used to teach English Composition before I decided to bag it due to adverse administrative vibes.
What the 2816 is, as far as I can figure out, is a computer in a small box with a small screen that does all the stuff you can do with a computer based rig.
The manual inserts about 55 pages of midi instruction and I don't use midi; thus, it's confusing.
I just need to understand the steps. I'll get there but if you had access to the box you would be able to post some CLEAR steps to operation.
I found out from a post that I'm not to finalize the CD until I've done all the tunes I want to do on it. I've yet to find this information in the "manual."
As the folks who use the 4416 and 2816 say, it's a good box and it has good sound.
So, whatever you can pass on as time moves on, will always be appreciated.
Merry Christmas
Green Hornet
Blue Bear Sound
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Hey ya GH! Merry Christmas to you too!! 
But, er... I know it's been a long day for me or maybe I'm just unusually dense, but I had trouble understanding your actual question????
Bruce
But, er... I know it's been a long day for me or maybe I'm just unusually dense, but I had trouble understanding your actual question????
Bruce
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CyanJaguar
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I was using my technics home receiver for my monitors instead of my ra-100. That is until it gave up the ghost.
I think that the choice of amp depends on what you want to hear. My technics had less highs and bigger bass, and this worked perfect for the ns10ms. It allowed me to push the highs harder without overdoing the bass.
I think that the choice of amp depends on what you want to hear. My technics had less highs and bigger bass, and this worked perfect for the ns10ms. It allowed me to push the highs harder without overdoing the bass.
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Vance Dylan
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Was there a question Bruce?...lol
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The Green Hornet
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YO ALL:
I guess my purpose of the post was to ask for any steps or tips or simple routes for running the DAW 2816 by Yamaha.
I've picked up a few good tips from the crew here. So, if anyone has written out any CLEAR BASIC operational steps, kindly post them to me.
Thanks,
Green Hornet
Benmocini@aol.com
I guess my purpose of the post was to ask for any steps or tips or simple routes for running the DAW 2816 by Yamaha.
I've picked up a few good tips from the crew here. So, if anyone has written out any CLEAR BASIC operational steps, kindly post them to me.
Thanks,
Green Hornet
Benmocini@aol.com