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grn said:
hmm, thanks, I wonder if I should submit a 3 song demo to a few major/semi-major labels...
Somehow, that's the most annoying thing I've read in quite some time. Self confidence is good, but if you think you've got something on the 60 billion other guys trying to get on......
Oh hell what am I saying? You're gonna be a STAR!!!!!!!!!
 
you fellas are off to a good start but, these tunes are not ready for labels to listen to...

The vox on all 3 are well recorded...sit nice in the mix too...
drums need to come up....at least the Kick and cymbals....
snare sounds weird too....sharp but not sharp ....I dunno....


guits and bass are pretty muddy on all 3 as well....

could use some better leads too......

at least you are consistent.....that will help in the future mix wise...

of course...I suck at lead myself....but hey, that's what this board is all about......ya know?
Getting better....improving......
You already have the passion to do it....
go for it dudes...

Joe
 
we could all do more than a major label would do if they were managing us and barely promoting our music, so why bother with them. They have thousands clawing at them, they are untested in the marketplace so the majors play with them and their career futures and toss them to radio, one chance, you stick or 95% don't and you're done. The 5% at the major label who the label went to b/c they had some market pretesting aka local success got the bigger advance and no now the stakes of loosing are higher at the corporation, so the co. promotes them more and they have a better chance at success.

So our choice is this: send stuff out like the thousands to the big giant record God megacorporation, or better manage and promote ourselves at the local level, creating a buzz or not and if so, they will find us. (if no buzz, then at least you have the power of not being signed for ten years and now stuck in a dead end contract at a major label if you didn't stick to the radio wall with your whimpy $10,000 recording advance. And now you make adjustments to your act, re-record, re-promote etc, with more experience.)
 
The other thing to do is to consider heavy networking. Do you know anyone that knows anyone in any area of the recording/production/label business? If so, work those networks - don't ask for a record deal (!), but ask for information about the industry, advice for a young band, and more importantly - three more contacts. People are generally willing to help and offer advice if you aren't directly asking them for a deal. This takes time, work, and commitment but growing your network of insiders has got to be a better deal than sending unsolicited material to people and becoming a number among thousands. The side benefit is that you have the potential to learn a lot about the business and maybe get a better understanding of where your contributions (if any) would provide value. Hey - and you might meet some good people along the way.
 
hmm...

thanks for the advice... it's all good. I appreciate it.
 
You seem to be fairly confident, a relative newcome to the board, so I'm going to be very, very hard on you. I want you to step back and get some perspective on where you are.

95% of my posts are in the MP3 Clinic.

Summerdays :
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Shoegazer.

The intro guitar is very hot in the mids, it's almost 'gnashing' ... and this sets the tone for the rest of the song.
So what comes later is a little frusterating, almost confusing, with production it could be very original.

The doubling of this single guitar intro is not precise, and this can be very distracting with such a hot 'single' sound.

At 00:15, that percussion instrument sounds like someone banging on a metal fencepost ... it's cool.
At 00:18, do I hear a string buzzing madly on a bass fret ?
If that's a percussion instrument, make something of it, mix it much, much louder, stun us.

Has a retro feel now. The drums sound to 'Tom-Tom', they are in a box a bit, perhaps over-verbed and rolled off to harshly, there's no snap, they are too dull. Almost an American Bandstand kit sound circa late 50's early 60's. The cymbals need to be a bit louder.

I hear a very camp almost tacky guitar ostinato, not original.

This sounds like you are 'acting' and trying to be something you are not, something you might not want to be.

The lead vocal is mixed out front, we can certainly understand every word of the lyric ... but it is sung very 'limp'. There's very little energy in the lead vocal ... Is the singer drunk ? ... or really, really stoned ? It just sounds like 'glassy eyed' singing, totally glazed.

The guitars on left and right are NOT precisely played, they need to be compressed further. Not enough bottom end on the guitars.

At 01:05, the lead guitar stereo left is to far left, needs to come in about 12-18%. I don't like the part on the right. The center guitar is ok, gotz a euro sound, but you are being very demanding on the listener.

When you begin a lead panned far left, and then demand the listener come to center with a guitar sound that is very different, it just sounds ... contrived.

The drum fill at 01:35 sucks. Ya'll are too stoned. The performance is just mush, it's lifeless.

The chorus vocals are pretty good, but select one as the lead vocal. The singer has a lot of presence in his upper mids and this accounts for a lot of the 'apparent' volume in his vocal track. When you double the track, that 'uppper mids' volume increases dramatically and makes him sound very, very nasal and harsh.

Those upper mids in his vocal accumulate as gain that is not balanced with how the rest of his vocal increases in volume with the doubling.

Try EQ'ing one of the tracks by rolling his top end off, or 'smoothing' the vocal with a filter, let that one lead. Mix the other track 9-12db lower, let it be the natural or 'dry' track. You will be please with what you hear.

HAPPY 214 :
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Ok, so you are retro. Very retro intro. 60's euro folk. EMO ! This is melodic punk. I just wrote a tune that charted strongly in the Alt. Punk category at SoundClick.com ... 'She Cant Say'. I like melodic punk. The drums need to be more upfront, the vocals are almost too loud. Not enough mids on the guitars this time and they are overcompressed.

At 02:02 that's a nice buildup, but the guitars need more mids, gotta 'jam' us there, not 'whoompf' us. The solo is lame and not played with strong skills, devolves into noodling and then finally becomes some sort of rythm riff, it's too 'improvy'.

The strongest part of this song is the vocal.

AT 02:48 you are 'gaining sibilance' once again with the cumulative upper mids in the vocals. On a nice loud system, those peaks might 'bite' the ears and be uncomfortable.

I think the drums could be louder, and I'm going to take a guess here that the lead singer is mixing this tune ?

At 03:44 that's NICE bg vocal, you took some time with that part and it shows. The lead guitar is too busy, and it's messy.

The stuff at the end sucks. Cut this song to 3:25 and you have a decent tune. Nice overtones fade.

STANDUP :
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very good, you give us a short intro, and bang right into the hook and the song ... boom hit us with the chorus, this is MUCH better songwriting. I think the singer could be singing with a LOT more energy, take this song up a full minor third, make this singer WORK this lyric and melody loud with close mic proximity.

The second chorus is just sung very, very lame. Like totally limp. You got to rock this tune man, you got to rock it hard.

The guitar riff at 01:28, I'm grooving, but it just lasts two bars too long ... gotta keep the tune driving, use the chorus to take this song out, just keep singing it until you hit 2:30 ... it's a sing along.

This is your best tune.

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You need a producer.
 
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I <3 constructive criticsm. I really do appreciate that the most. we will definitely rework some of the tunes for a real demo. I sing on Stand up and Summer days... I do sound nasally high up, didn't know how to combat that. also I will work on my vocal performances a ton... that's what everyone is saying that needs improving most. we'll rearrange the songs a bit and make them more powerful. if I post some more later would you mind doing what you did with these? once again, many many many thanks.
 
Here is how you deal with the 'nasally high up'.

Take the strongest track and either clone it, or take a good solid doubling of that track.

One track will be EQ'd on the top end, or it will be run through a filter to 'smooth' it. Check out SoundForge's 'smooth-enhance' filter. Smooth it by at least 2 units.

This will be your primary track, mix it at 0db.

The other track will have the 'nasal high end'.
Mix it 9db to 12db below the other track, pan it 2-4% away from the other track, 'just a hair', to get some seperation.

Send those two tracks to the same bus, and compress that bus.

That's one technique. You can refer to this technique as 'Peak Sibilance Compression Pre-Mastering'.

Try it ... you'll like it.

Keep working on ya'lls tunes, drink a red bull vitamin B drink or two before you sing those tunes ... not caffiene.
 
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thanks... I'll try that out. is there anyway to make those guitars at the beginning of summer days sound... not so "hot"? I do use sound forge, so anything I could do using that would be great. I want to get a good distortion sound... that's why I double a lot. it doesn't sound warm/smooth enough to me though. also, is there any way to boost just a kick drum or make the snare have more of a pop. drums seem the hardest to get correct. when I record drums next time I'll have better equipment and spend more time on it. I'll have to listen to some pro cd's to get the sounds right though, as I'm more of a guitar guy.
 
It is my understanding, that of almost all the instruments, the actual resource recorded tracks of drums are absolutely critical.

In other words ... pour all your energies with respect to drums in developing a strong recording set-up and getting the BEST drum tracks you possibly can ...

because after the track is laid with drums ... there are fewer tricks you can use to make them better ... than any other instrument.

As to the guitar, EQ, EQ, EQ, you MUST learn to use EQ ... now is the time to do that ... do not avoid 'learning' about using EQ ... you simply ... MUST.

Soundforge has a 'smooth-enhance' filter ... experiment with it.
 
i just listened. didn't read the other reviews.

not a bad song. i like the cali 'tude. i think you would be much better off just doing a live show recording and pushing that instead. it takes a long time for most people to be able to put in a good performance in a studio, and i don't think you guys quite have it yet. it took me almost the last 2 years to get okay at it, and i've been performing live for 15 years on and off. the drums sound like the guy is still learning - probably because he's second guessing himself as he's playing because he knows the red light is on, instead of just playing. i'd like to hear the song with a faster tempo and more energy. but i bet your live shows are very cool - i'd go see you guys. don't give up the dream!
 
is it just me?

or is the mp3 mixing clinic that best forum on this board?
 
Re: is it just me?

grn said:
or is the mp3 mixing clinic that [sic] best forum on this board?
Of course it is. It's where the rubber hits the road, and people can make fun of each other, and (SOMETIMES) talk about (*gulp*) RECORDINGS!!!!

And yeah, there's a way to make a guitar sound less hot. In fact, there's probably a way to make a guitar sound like a neutered poodle if you want. But as cliched as this next statement may sound, it's true...you have to experiment.

BTW - I totally agree with the live performance recording thing. Pros and non-pros have 'savvy'd up' to the fact that it's becoming easier for people to turn out quality recordings, regardless of actual band talent...but every demo my little band sends out has at least one live cut on it to show that we can bring the goods (with overdubs, lmao). :D
 
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