Hi-hat mapping hell

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Trying to map iDrum samples using new Yamaha DD65 as trigger. DD65 on-board sounds, hi-hat trigger pad knows when hi-hat foot trigger is off/on and plays ‘open hi-hat’ sample, when trigger foot is off and will play ‘hi-hat closing’ sample when on and then hi-hat trigger pad plays ‘closed hi-hat’ sample.

Problem how do I map same using samples in iDrum – all I can map is ‘closed’ or ‘opened’ sample onto to hi-hat trigger pad and ‘closing’ sample onto foot trigger?

How do I make hi-hat trigger pad recognise the different states of the foot trigger?

Hope someone can help?
 
What does the midi output spit out in each case?
 
Most midi modules are looking for input note # per voice. The function your describing is probably proprietary stuff going on inside the yamaha. I would look into the yamaha documentation as far as wheter the foot pedal is sending CC (continuous controller) or programm change signals to get the job done.

There are only note on messages to trigger the open hh or closed hh. you have to determine how the foot pedal modulation is getting those trigger messages to change.
Just some thoughts , sorry I don't have the answer; please let us know when you get this sorted!
 
Have you found a solution to that problem yet?I also intend to buy the new dd65(currently have a dd55).I think that's a problem(bug?) with the dd65 which doesn't exist on the dd55.If you
haven't found a solution yet i think i have found one.It's a MFX (midi
fx)plugin which you can use in Sonar and probably Cubase also.You could download it from tencrazy dot com but the site is currently offline,so i provide it as an attachment.It was initially made for the Alesis ControlPad but i
think it will work with the DD65 as well.
From the plugin creator: "Once upon a time, Dave Schreier said, "I purchased an Alesis ControlPad USB/Midi Percussion Controller, and am a bit surprised (and disappointed) that the hi-hat footswitch input does not switch a pad's note output between alternate notes when the switch is opened and closed..."
And having bought two ControlPads recently, I wholeheartedly agreed!
So here's an MFX helper to do the translation." So check this out and say if it actually works or not.Besides all these what do you think of the DD65?Any other problems?
 

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Same problem

I've just got a DD-65 and have exactly the same problem with ezdrummer and dfhsuperior. I found your post on Google.

I've tried out the software taht you suggested, but have not managed to get it to work. I am using Cubase 3 with the dd-65. Could you tell me what the Midi effect is called? It does not seem to be appearing in my effect locations.

I think it doesn't work, at least, it doesn't appear to.

Any other ideas out there?

Thanks,

Dan
 
It installs ok

My mistake - ive managed to install it ok. For anyone trying to run this on Cubase, make sure you install the MFX wrapper from Steinberg first. You will find the plugin in the midi insert folder.

I haven't actually used this yet, but when I do, I'll be sure to let you know how it works.

Thanks,

Dan
 
Great, just write back with your findings when you try it out.I think i have also found another solution in case this doesn't work.It's a free program called "Edrum monitor" http://www.edrummonitor.com/index.html It can add many more features to the DD65 or any other e-drum with midi.To use it with your host application (Cubase or else) you will also need another free program called "midi yoke"
http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm It may sound hard to put together but it actually isn't and it's really worth it.If you need any help in setting these up just
ask.Also in case you don't know there is a yahoo group about the Yamaha DD55 here: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/dd55/
 
HH pedal

Look, it's simple, when trying to select specific notes to each pad of the Yamaha dd65, you should be able to see which note each pad is assigned to.

If the small pad #2 (or the HH pad) doesn't change its assigned note when the HH pedal is pressed or not, you won't ever be able to use that HHpedal properly even with the most powerful software imaginable. cause the data ain't going into your PC!!

I don't have a Yamaha dd-65 but I hope getting one soon. Can somebody try that out?

I assume it won'T work because when working in "local control off" there is only 1 note assignable for each pad. But when your in "local contrl on" (onboard sounds) the HH pedal works well.

Yamaha would need to publish a firmware update so that the small pad #2 switches notes when HHpedal is pressed/unpressed.
 
Hello I'm an italian owner of the DD65 since 2007. I can do some microcontroller programming so I think the only walkaround to this annoying HH problem is:

h**p://img25.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=83996_dd65_122_1072lo.jpg

The microcontroller read the HH switch pedal status, so is capable to introduce midi messages regarding the pedal status.
Since the connection HHPedal -> Microcontroller -> DD65 is "passthrough", no hacking/modification is needed on the DD65.

I'll do some schematics and firmware on next weeks, maybe someone is interested about.

Greetings from Italy

Riccardo
 
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Has anyone managed to get this working or has any updated info from Yamaha support?

i have tried everything in this thread and more to no avail and am about to return my DD65 to store. :(
 
hey fellows, please give a look here on these next days, maybe I'll able to post the diagram and the source code to help you in this matter.... bye bye
riccardo
 
yes please

That would be great riocma!
I just got a DD65 for triggering just assuming it would work (didn't check the forums, silly me).
when do you think you will post your fix riocma?
Should I wait or sell it?
Thanks.
 
grantica said:
That would be great riocma!
I just got a DD65 for triggering just assuming it would work (didn't check the forums, silly me).
when do you think you will post your fix riocma?
Should I wait or sell it?
Thanks.
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Sell it. I just got this word from Yamaha Germany:

"Dear Mr.,

now I received new information from our colleagues from Japan.
So it seems that the solved this "problem" with a so called "running
change".
That means, that the description of the model will be the the same (DD-65),
but with October production (serial no. WWCOP01694 and over) the MIDI
"problem" will be solve.

Best regards and have a nice weekend,
Tobi Dahm





Tobias Dahm
Product Specialist
EMI"
 
globalist said:
Sell it. I just got this word from Yamaha Germany:

"Dear Mr.,

now I received new information from our colleagues from Japan.
So it seems that the solved this "problem" with a so called "running
change".
That means, that the description of the model will be the the same (DD-65),
but with October production (serial no. WWCOP01694 and over) the MIDI
"problem" will be solve.

Best regards and have a nice weekend,
Tobi Dahm





Tobias Dahm
Product Specialist
EMI"
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Can confirm this applies in th Uk as well. Just recieved an email from yamaha uk confirming this . Good news .
 
Yamaha DD65

Does anyone know how long it takes for the revised (fully functional) units to make it to the retail stores in the USA?


I intend to buy a DD65 primarily for use as a MIDI controller, and I would like to avoid the improper hi-hat mapping issues.
 
thomasbhacker said:
Does anyone know how long it takes for the revised (fully functional) units to make it to the retail stores in the USA?


I intend to buy a DD65 primarily for use as a MIDI controller, and I would like to avoid the improper hi-hat mapping issues.
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Not sure about USA sorry, try emailing them through there US website, thats what i did(UK site) just to be sure for myself before purchasing the dd65. Took about a week before they got back to me. I would expect the same to be true for all the units worldwide .The serial number for the unit i got was thousands onwards of the number that the hi-hat problem had been fixed from. Just waiting for midi to usb cable arriving so i can give it a go and no doubt having to ask some probing questions on here.

Hope you get the result your after. Regards Jase.
 
jaseamondo said:
Not sure about USA sorry, try emailing them through there US website, thats what i did(UK site) just to be sure for myself before purchasing the dd65. Took about a week before they got back to me. I would expect the same to be true for all the units worldwide .The serial number for the unit i got was thousands onwards of the number that the hi-hat problem had been fixed from. Just waiting for midi to usb cable arriving so i can give it a go and no doubt having to ask some probing questions on here.

Hope you get the result your after. Regards Jase.
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Where did you get your unit? Mine just arrived from a supplier who said theirs came from Yamaha UK just before Christmas and it was not the updated version. I'm sure it will be sorted out (I raised the issue before ordering) but it's kind of frustrating.
 
I hope you show us the electronic solution to this problem because I´m concerned that the only way to get what we want is via hardware. Thank you I and I´m waiting for that!!
Regards
 
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