Hey Lets all rip this new guy!

Pedullist said:
Why do all the newbies get the Blue Bear and Sonusman reviews?

WATYF said:
That's what I wanna know!! :mad:


That's because we newbies are like the poor muscians on the streets with our open guitar cases begging for scraps of EQ advice. Can a white boy get a compression setting here?!

Now WATYF, you are like upper middle class, with your fresh cut lawn, white picket fence. Sure, you want to keep climbing the EQ ladder, but you have a nice life.

SLuiCe, now he's sitting in his big fat perfectly compressed mansion. At this point, he makes more off his EQ interest than he can even use. Fortunately, he has been nice enough to throw us newbies a few scraps to chew on!

;) :D :p :D
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Very nice song.. I totally hear Axl Young also.. Your wife has a completely uncharacteristic voice for a female, something that will probably work in her favor. It's good and unique sounding, should really help her get noticed.

Good luck with the remix, the song sounds really good.
 
On to the song. I think it was good, although I agree with WATYF in that it sounded dated.

I think your wife's voice was cool. You could use that to your advantage. Unique voices always help seperate you from "the pack" ;) :)

I think the mix has been pretty well covered, plus I can't help anyhow. :D

Good job!
 
I think it sounds a lot like what most Roland recorders sound like to me.

They produce a very weird sound. It always sounds like there is some "exciter" on anything passes through the converters.

For the genre, I don't think it was "over compressed" at all. I think the compression could be improved mainly with more attention to to attack and release times.

I actually liked the tone. It was the one instrument that I thought had a great tone. Was probably fairly dark sounding at it's source and the Roland converters probably helped "sharpen" it up a bit.

The "depth" wasn't quite there, as most every Roland recording I have ever heard is. I know of no way around that. Roland has that sort of flat depth sound to their all-in-one wonder boxes.

I think it could overall use a bit more detail in the midrange. A little more presense there too. It sounds like your control room might have a bit of a balance problem in the lower mids causing you to bring them forward a bit too much. Hard to say. Hell, you could have been "fooled" by your monitors creating some hyped upper mids. I tend to hear that alot on mixes done on Yorkville, Yamaha, and KRK monitors.

Overall, a decent job. Would make a very suitable "get a gig" demo.

Ed

PS: Hey guys, don't try to figure out which songs I might or might not take a listen to. If you REALLY want my feedback, email me and ask me to take a listen. But BEWARE! I tend to REALLY dig in on those requests. :D
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Here's something I mixed:
Here Again

Here's a sampler of a CD I produced:
Sampler
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And it would only be fair to give ol' Blue Bear a review on these. :) No vaseline is gonna be used here buddy.


Demo CD song:

1 - The B3 sounds like ass. Muddy and overpowering. Drums are weak. Nice guitar tone. Vocal sound way too overcompressed! If that is the best a damn RNC can do, I will stay away from them thanks. Nice lead guitar tone though! Dug it.

2 - Drums weak again. Are these V-Drums? They sure sound like V-Drums. They have that one dimensional sound V-Drums sound. There seems to be overall some squashing going on here! Sounds like the mix was overcompressed, but not in even a good way, at the expense of the cymbals crapping out. Oh, and the toms just seem to jump out of nowhere! Yikes!

3 - Nice job on the piano. Vocals seem to really start dragging on the compressor here again! The bass lacks are lot of definition. Needs a LOT more like 500Hz.

4 - YIKES!!! Them cymbals are killing me Bruce!!! Where is the snare on this one? Piano during guitar solo is way over the top. V-Drums again? Man, you gotta lose those things.

Here Again V8 - Those sterile drums yet again! Keys are cool. Much better B3 attempt on this one, but it sounds like a digital B3 instead of the real thing. Weak. :) Snare is far too thin and quiet. You carved out way too much of the low mids on the kick. Took all the power away. Vocals again seem to have a weird distortion on them. I can only assume the RNC? Was it my imagination or is that a punch in at 2:18? The whole presense of the vocal sound different on that whole verse.

Not bad Bruce. I would use a different project for comparisons though. I am sure you have better work to share that illustrates the corrections for some of the problems you point out to others. ;) Overall, you might just work on your mixing skills a bit more. :D

Ed
 
Thanks guys! I agree it does sound dated. But I'm curious, what is it that dates it? Mix or the tune itself? I suspect a combination. I don't know if I have the skills to make it sound current, but it's definitely worth looking into.

BTW, Cosmic Wifey has been gigging for a living steadily since 1960, I think that's where she gets her tones. She's also the bass player.

SonusMan! Wow you nailed it to the wall dood! Yorkville monitors! Hyped upper mids! whoa! I have two sets of Yorkvilles, The powered ysm1's and some bigger ysm3's Got em used, couldn't turn it down. Every time I switch to the big ones the upper mids jump out! I'm gonna get an EQ and tune em for sure now. I always wondered. And I totally agree on the exciter sound in the 2480, but never knew where it was coming from. In fact everything you said is unbelievably on the money! Man I hope my ears are that good one day! I've been at this for about a year with no former training, so it's a lot of guess work. Thank you immensely for the help!

Sometimes when I smoke too much BC bud (the roads are paved with it up here) I almost wonder if I couldn't flog this tune myself in our band rather than sell it, but we're so far away from the mtv look its ridiculous. Middle aged white folk do not get famous in this biz. (pfffft) Hey maybe we could start a new trend. (ffffft) Ya! That could happen for sure! I can see it now (pfffffft) It could totally happen. And we could say cool stuff like "peace out" and "word" an shit and (pfffffft) like we'd be all cool an (pffffft) stuff. Wait, I can't do it now(pfffffft) there's something stuck on this coffee cup....hey cooool....

Sleep! zzzzzzzzzz

Cos.
 
I really like this tune.Im not a mix expert so I dont have a clue about the mix other than the high hat sounds a little overbearing through most of the song...the ride is a little hot too for MY taste too.....nice vocals and a good guitar solo......really dig that tone you're getting.....like the build up after the solo into the chorus again....piano sounds nice..organ sounds cool...this is a cool song....kinda reminds me of some late 70's-early 80's tunes...good job on the song and recording.

Welcome to the insane asylum known as homerecording.com.LMAO!:D
 
We had a VS Planet invasion here a few years back and I got to hear a lot of sorry sounding VS unit recordings. They all seem to sound about the same to my ears. It is a very distinct sound. I have had guys bring them into the studio too to transfer to various formats, so I have had first hand listening to them. Yup, they definately have a sound.

Yorkville's seem to have a sound too. I wasn't all that impressed. They remind me far too much of Tannoy's. Tannoy's have never translated well for me (I have done little work on them, but when I have listened to them, the hyped highs just killed me!).

Hopefully, you aren't smoking that "bc bud" while you engineer. That alone could account for 90% of engineering mistakes. Green bud and mixing DO NOT MIX!!! Sorry, I have heard plenty of crap stuff done by decent engineers who were high to know the difference. I tried it many years ago myself too. Dont' get stoned while working on audio. Your mixes will sound messed up every time.

Ed
 
CP,

I have to say that for an all-in-one machine, this is a pretty nice sounding mix. Like Ed said, it does have that strange sizzle to it, but it's certainly acceptable sounding. I will have to say that I think it's a bit too wet sounding in general...I'm hearing quite a bit of verb on the hat and cymbals, which kinda gives it a glossy sound. Personally, I'd dry it up a little. Great guitar tones, BTW! Lead vox needs to be more upfront sounding IMO, so maybe back off a little on the verb there too.

Again, nice mix in general! :D

If anyone's interested, here's a mix I did recently. Didn't record it, just mixed and sorta mastered (I use that term lightly).



Ed, you're more than welcome to critique this one if you'd like. ;)
 
sonusman said:
Overall, you might just work on your mixing skills a bit more. :D

Ed
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Hey! You mix your way, and I'll mix mine!!! Don't worry, Ed - *I* don't like some of Daniel Lanois' U2 mixes either!!! ;) :p

heh-heh.... :)


Here Again -- This is one I didn't track - this came from Mixerman's MixFest stuff a while ago... it wasn't particularly well-tracked, but on the MixFest CD, I thought my version was the better of the bunch who mixed that particualr tune. The MP3 version sounds quite a bit different than the WAV though... and from a mix perspective I am quite happy with what I got out of the original tracks.

The Sampler -- quite a bit of different things - V-drums only in one snippet... lots of stuff I would redo if I were so inclined, lots of stuff I liked -- this unfortunately is a great example of lack of both budget and time.

On that particular CD - V-drums were used on 4 out of 13 tracks and the end result is I absolutely *HATE* the sound of V-Drums. Period. Lesson learned. The most I would ever intentionally use them for is re-triggering for a rescue op! They're convenient to work with, but really horrible sounding..........!!!
 
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Cosmic Pig said:
Thanks guys! I agree it does sound dated. But I'm curious, what is it that dates it? Mix or the tune itself? I suspect a combination. I don't know if I have the skills to make it sound current, but it's definitely worth looking into.
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Well... the reason I thought it was a guy at first was specifically because of the "dated" style of the tune. Remember back in '87-ish when every guy sang like a girl (not to mention looked like a girl :p). Anywhoo... I just figured it was one of them raspy soprano guy singers.

But don't sweat the "dated" comments... it's all aboot taste... you'll get just as many "I dug the song" comments as you will "it sounded dated" comments. The over-all structure, lyrics, drum sound, guitar tones, reverbed ballad-ish type "scorpion-winds-of-change" sound is what makes it dated. I don't think there's anything you can do to "change" that. Just go with what you like.


It's all good in da hood. :p


WATYF


(p.s. one of my first songs was called "I believe"... :p chorus sounded pretty much like this one... it was just as dated. :D)
 
The Acoustic sounds weak.Like a direct mix.use an miced amp for a truer sound.All the other instraments sound good.Real clear and seperate in the mix.Nice,defined lines.Cheerful harmonies.Can't say this is my style at all but this would do well in the Christian Contemporary Rock Category.Solid vocal performance,pro quality,could be a little brighter in the mix.Good guitar work.Bring up the harmonied guitar in the end of the 3:35+/- lead.Very uplifting.Excuse me while I look at animal porn to redegredate myself...
 
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